| IVOD_ID |
166406 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166406 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T10:23:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T10:35:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da7590604a9192f7b9921163d053df696e011f8e8e52b0719441b97951c1d5c912628115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:31 - 10:35:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 是不是請農業部陳部長好 我們再請陳部長部長 第一個問題請教您您知道日本一年入境的人數是多少人我告訴你 4000萬台灣一年入境的人數大概多少人我告訴你 800萬 |
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所以入境日本的人數是台灣的五倍那他們也很多機場也很多港口他們所有的港口和機場針對入境旅客有沒有針對手提行李或者針對這個非洲諸位異區來源國有做過任何手提行李的安檢我所瞭解是沒有沒有嘛入境人口是五倍那我們他們為什麼沒有 |
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最主要是我們的廚餘有直接進到我們租的衛生系統日本是經過那個飼料化以後再進到裡面所以本身的這些風險會比較低你看 入境是我們五倍而且他們沒有入境的這個鎖定性的安檢所以代表他們做法 正確的我們應該日本學習上個月 我們不是組個團嗎貴部也有派同仁去環境部也派同仁去 |
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三個半小時深入討論還有跟這個相關學者把整個日本的這個處理處理的系統做了很完整的介紹為全程參與為提出很多的問題我想農業部同仁回來有沒有跟您報告有 |
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我們是不是就把日本那一套建立起來我跟你講我們現在現在就要參考日本的那個eco feed的一個辦法然後去做這個廚餘的飼料化的一個相關的規劃要有一個專責單位去推動要有一個專案小組去推動把日本那一套建立起來啊那我們就可以高枕無疑為什麼因為不可能透過廚餘產生病菌然後變成這個非洲豬瘟的這個感染第一個他們加護廚餘的減量 |
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他們自己在這個所謂在烹煮食物的時候他們就量度為初了就是說你要吃多少他們就煮多少所以很少食物的浪費另外他們有一些加護廚餘的這個處理機或者乾燥機的補助大碗嗎 烏蛙 |
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有些縣市比方說以前在南投在雲林在屏東針對家戶廚餘處理機你把它乾燥化把廚餘把它這個去水化它就變成一般廢棄物它就可以進焚化爐結果不會損害焚化爐對不對所以現在我有提案希望你們跟環境部在你們這個所謂應變小組裡面能夠編列預算就像這個經濟部有個節能措施 |
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節煙能設備的補助比如說節煙能冷氣或冰箱的補助每年度都編列10億還是20億來汰換節煙能設備來增購節煙能設備以來我們是不是可以用一定的補助來提高國人在家戶使用廚餘處理機的意願讓每個家戶的廚餘量可以減少 |
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這個部長您的看法是第一個我跟委員報告就是台灣的那個料理的習慣跟日本是不一樣的那我們現在跟環境部在共同推這種就是吃多少煮多少的這個部分就是等於我們的廚藝的減量這是非常重要的那第二個您剛才說的就是說廚藝機的部分其實在先前也曾經跟環境部做一些討論 |
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那後來我們跟一些家庭在討論的過程中就算做了這些變成堆肥以後那台灣本身不見得是堆肥喔它處理完它變一般的廢棄物喔對 那相對的在這個過程中因為我們台灣的也許等一下環境部可以補充就是我們的廚餘的我們是強調再利用 |
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那日本的家務廚餘是直接進到焚化爐去的這兩個的那個再利用的邏輯是不一樣的部分所以沒有辦法說百分之百不照他們沒有再利用那我們再利用的這個主要的目的是什麼我想整個廚餘再利用的部分只是去化廚餘嘛 對不對 |
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你是去化廚餘嘛去化廚餘你當作一般非機物處理也是一種處理方式如果再利用利用的好的話其實它本身就是一個剩餘資源它可以真正的產生那個價值它不是為了去化而去化這樣子你要再利用啊要有科學的方式是也有安全的方式低風險的方式對就所謂Eco-feed是 |
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所以你家屋的部分没有那事业非其物的部分呢不要包括这个团散或者这个他们餐厅或者是相关的这个团体里面他们有明确的整个流程 |
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把這個收集起來然後在專用的這個特殊的這個廠商裡面去做分區分區之後做Ecofit對 這個就是我們要努力的目標不是說兩三年這幾年才有的他們已經行之二十幾年了所以他們高枕無憂他們不需要派那麼多人力在邊境做這個手提行李的檢查 |
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所以把日本這一套建立起來要多久時間我想我們現在已經開始在做規劃那我們初步是希望說我們先用一個其中的共同珍珠中心去把它做轉型變成一個只收事業廚餘或其他的食品下腳料然後變成這種eco-feed這樣的一個產品那這個部分我想我們已經在做了共同珍珠中心那你處理事業廚餘對不對 |
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還有一些食品的下繳料的部分還有一些群內的下繳料果菜公司那種你說事業屬於比方說這個夜市的小吃單算不算事業屬於 |
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我第一個部分我想後續的部分我想我們會請續產試驗所還有我們也跟台肥做溝通那台肥也很樂意進場來共同努力這個目標所以你要讓大家知道什麼叫事業處理定義是什麼要很明確這個我想環境部有非常明確的一個定義讓大家都了解那家戶處理怎麼處理事業處理怎麼處理 |
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二分法啦加五廚餘你要減量你可以用所謂的這個廚餘處理機你可以透過補助 |
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提高這個家戶的意願每一家戶按照他的這個食物的用量有不同容量的廚藝處理機把廚藝減量那事業廚藝的部分你怎麼樣把它有效的做這個集合然後這個去處理然後EcoFitEcoFit還比現在的飼料還更便宜對不對對也節省這個養豬戶的這個飼料成本 |
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這是很好的做法那我一樣說到現在好像我們已經慢了日本二十幾年那我再請教你最後一個問題整個系統建立起來大概要多久如果變成類似日本的那個ecofit我想至少要三年三年到三年的期間那如果說利用現有的共同政治中心的話應該兩年應該可以做得起來政治中心是一個過渡性的方案你最後還是要學日本那一套對 |
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日本如果他没有专利授权的话应该可以马上就可以把这个整个制度引进过来吗对他有现有的设备是可以可以做引进的你如果没有什么专利什么的不需要授权你可以专利你可以引进马上把这个制度把它建立起来你三年之内我们就不怕有什么非洲猪瘟的问题了因为变成一个安全的这个ecofit而且减少成本最重要 |
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而且我們需要每個旅客入境的時候都要有鎖立行李的安檢這也是會增加一些旅客的不便對 如果禁止廚藝養豬這個政策後續落實的時候那相關的這些邊境的壓力就會變小因為最主要就是含肉製品如果進到廚藝系統會造成一些問題所以這也是我們共同努力的目標所以這個 |
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日本的做法值得我們借鏡我已經很具體的提供了一些做法而且這些相關的程序那天是三個承辦科的科長農林水産省花很長時間做很詳細的介紹這個雖然是日文的資料我想你們一定有辦法變消化系統變成我們這個我們已經成立一個專案小組現在在做這樣的所以您說是三年三年就把日本那一套建立起來 |
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包括那個廠最主要是建廠比較慢技術的導入比較快建廠我覺得你只要有一個專業小組推動的話建廠也不是太大困難三年已經很寬裕了我希望說就按照你所說的三年就把日本那一套全部引進 |
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那我們有eco feed然後家戶廚餘也減少不過最重要的是我們也會在這段時間去了解這個因為你變成eco feed以後市場也要接受所以這樣的一個飼料配方也要讓我們的養豬戶能夠習慣跟使用 |
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我想這個也是要共同去做的這個時候就會開始去做調查對 我們現在已經在做這個部分日本也有很多養殖戶啊日本也有很多養殖戶他們可以用ecofeed可以接受代表說台灣應當也可以接受所以這個時間你們應該去做一些survey會 我們會來做像日本大概只有6%在用這個就三年時間我們就要把邊境把這個所有的這個廚藝的問題全部徹底解決透過減量 加護的減量透過世界廚藝的這個ecofeed |
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您有把握嗎 三年時間我覺得三年應該可以做得到就跟日本完全一樣 |
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沒有 日本的沒有辦法我們可以參照日本這樣的Eco-free的部分所以我們把我們的廚藝的部分能夠再利用包括現在的生食能對不對因為我們台灣的廚藝再利用跟日本的系統是不一樣的那你贊不贊成跟環境部共同編列預算來補助每一家戶去購買這個所謂家戶的補助我覺得這個還要內部討論因為這個部分可能有不同的看法所以我們還會再跟環境部一起討論環境部要講一下環境部講一下 |
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委員你講到那個廚餘的處理機的部分那廚餘的產生源將來如果不能夠把廚餘再養豬的時候他一定會衍生成本出來但是他在這個處理的過程當中他把80%的水分把它去掉了他的垃圾需要處理的那個廚餘量就被乾燥以後減量很多他省下了處理的費用 |
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那個對他來講購買這個處理處理機就已經是划算了但現在有些家戶主動的自主性的去買處理機我們都樂觀其成那至於要不要每個家戶去補這個真的需要再評估評估什麼因為你在處理的過程當中你已經把水分乾燥你就減量了你就省下了將來處理的處理費用了 |
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對啊 那你就可以幫一般的這是我們的一個選擇啦但是要不要用政府的方式去補助這可以再評估啦你要提供一些誘因啦我覺得你要減量就是政府要像節能的這個節能家電補助也是政府編定預算去補助啊可是他沒有很大的這個動力來把這個家電變成節能的 |
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因為你換了節電加電你這當然就減少能源嘛會節電嘛那你這個給它補助之後你的垃圾就減量了你的廚藥就減量了是不是我覺得應該可以跨部會環境部跟農業部應該一起研究我希望這個應該政府要編定預算來鼓勵媒家戶能夠有自己的這個廚藥處理機謝謝好 謝謝 |