| IVOD_ID |
166400 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166400 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T09:48:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T10:02:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da759062f181278cb59a43c3d053df696e011f8e8e52b0719441b977bd1442b9f89c7a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:42 - 10:02:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們請楊昭偉來質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊瑜發言邀請部長跟次長兩位同業部長還有環境部次長 |
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好 部長 這一次我們中央災害應變中心為了防範非洲豬瘟 所以我們宣布決議2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬並排除共同珍珠與環保飼料方案 |
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如果說廚餘養豬的養豬戶要繼續那你必須要珍珠90度以上才能夠來養豬同時要裝設影像監視系統來定期的來做回報 |
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這個政策允許緩衝期也就是再使用一年所以本席首先要請教次長我們現在的推動是垃圾跟廚餘希望要分開 是不是 |
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是 我們繼續分類繼續分類 垃圾跟廚餘必須要分開我們希望廚餘能夠走在利用廚餘走在利用非常好 廚餘要走在利用好 所以部長你們兩位在這裡我們實質解決問題因為我們大概有六成六成是有養豬者 |
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收起來再利用去養豬尤其有說因為我們的Odiyama日本的最好吃這個是全世界非常有名而且大家肯定的那我們的政策已經既定我們首先來討論要怎麼樣去解決這個問題 |
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以我台中市為例我們努力的來處理這個問題處理問題但是我們現在所面臨到的問題也就是台中市我們的住戶大樓將近有8000多棟 |
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將近有8000多棟那這些8000多棟原本多數都有養豬戶來處理來協助那少部分由這個清除公司廢棄物公司來做處理但是現在我們的政策是 |
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不能不能再收幾乎我們的推動是這個方向所以我們希望的也是垃圾跟廚餘要分開剛剛次長已經有說了所以在這樣的一個情況之下民間的業者事業費去清除公司他的量能也沒有那麼多那我們這些大樓要怎麼辦 |
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要怎麼辦我相信台中市有這個問題所有像新北台北這個桃園台南高雄只要有大樓的縣市絕對會有這個問題那我們怎麼處理呢現在各縣市政府想盡了一切辦法配合中央所以我要請教在這個專案 |
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這個緩衝一年的期間針對於要求地方政府配合我們的政策將這些大樓所必須運送要怎麼運送如果你全部堆給我們所有的清潔隊他的量能不夠人不夠車不夠我們要怎麼處理請教農業部長 |
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環境部來說明 好環境部說明好是家戶垃圾包括大樓這個部分那大樓的部分過去是用清除業者來幫忙清理的這個部分他的垃圾 我們要走政治主義的問題 |
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我跟委員報告這裡面為什麼要這樣子分就是在地方政府垃圾水水灰徵收地方政府就收了水灰在台北市是水袋徵收是用垃圾專用袋來處理台中市為例他是水水灰徵收那如果是公寓大廈大樓的部分自己找雨清清理的他就不用水水灰繳清除處理費用給地方政府他是自己委託 |
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清除業來清除的同樣的現在這些廚藝已經不能夠再養豬了他過去委託乙清的時候他的廚藝分開送到養豬場他那個幾乎沒有處理成本因為他把它集中了你家以前六成是給養豬戶去處理啊那現在量人不夠 請說明 |
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他現在因為沒有養豬場願意去公寓大廈大樓去收這樣的廚餘了所以他已經都必須要把這樣的廚餘交給可以再利用的地點那目前我們在禁止廚餘養豬的期間是送到環保局指定地點不收處理費用不收處理費用 |
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所以本市要請教是你說叫環保局指定地點來收那我現在環保局的量能都已經飽足了那我必須這是運送要一年的時間耶我必須我的車子我的人力都會增加那怎麼辦呢 |
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我剛講的是在禁止廚餘養豬就是到今年年底還有15天這段時間是要送到環保局指定的地點不收處理費用但是明年1月開始有一年的緩衝期是可以繼續4月廚餘養豬的所以公益大廈他們如果能夠找到養豬業者以台中市來講他的養豬業者是繼續可以來養豬的 |
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目前台中市沒有禁止廚餘養豬所以在這種情形之下有一年的緩衝期但這段時間環保局必須要做很多事情第一個他要加速他的再利用設施目前的堆回或者是黑水門台中市那種規劃他的外埔的那個生處理生處理的那個是處理生處理的部分啊他會繼續他會繼續他不是熟食啊對 |
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我更正一下部長公寓大廈也不能夠處於養豬在這種情況之下所以次長我就讓你講你明明中央規定我們所有的大樓是不可以再去處於養豬你剛剛講的完全錯誤不是我更正一下你要更正你今天到立法院來你講的連你自己宣布的政策你通通錯誤 |
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你讓我們地方政府要依據哪些所以本席強烈要求你今天中央政府告訴什麼台中市政府該怎麼處理我現在本席就告訴你我們的困難點你八千多棟的 |
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8000多棟的這個大樓他現在處於是不可以給養豬屋不可以對呀所以剛剛跟你講的完全錯誤怎麼有這樣子的情況是你自己制定的政策你還完全錯誤我現在聽你的話聽你的政策我碰到問題我光光這8000多棟我要去收 |
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我要我怎麼辦我的清潔隊有這樣的量人嗎民間業者有這樣的量人嗎你中央政府一直神功下來的政策我們全力配合但是你要告訴我我不夠的時候至少你要補人補錢補車子給我啊你通通都沒有還政策錯誤的離譜自己我跟委員報告一下 |
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如果我們的公益大廈如果繼續他們不繳不繳水費去收垃圾的話那清潔隊員不需要服務他是要委託民間的已清繼續去幫他做過去的方式也是這樣市長我們是要解決問題如果要清潔隊收的話本期理性的告訴你問題中央政府告訴我們社區的家戶裡面 |
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這個廚餘現在是不可以去給養豬戶的 對不對是啊 所以剛剛你承認錯誤了吧你承認錯誤 我們繼續討論那這樣子下來要誰去收 |
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清潔隊要去收 跟委員報告他如果有繳垃圾有水水會徵收的話市政府會幫忙服務他如果沒有水水會繳的話他委託以清清理請問 請過去的模式 市政府要去協助本席一開始的提問我環保局的量能已經飽和 |
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我要增加這些觀光運跟收這個是一個很大的問題對不對 你這一年多不是只有你剛才講的這15天是一年多365天加15天欸是380天欸很辛苦 你要解決問題因為政策是你們定的沒有理由一個政策下來讓地方不知所措 |
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不是只有台中市政府的問題各縣市政府的社區大樓都有這個問題可不可以跟委員報告一下本期具體建議 既然政策是你們訂的那地方非常的痛苦有這個問題每一個大樓都打電話來服務處說沒人收我們怎麼辦不能沒人收 我們是一個政府所以你們去研議方案 |
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針對於社區大樓的廚餘不能給養豬戶的來飼養的時候那我們配合政府的政策這些收跟運的量能你們要怎麼樣去協助地方政府啊我跟委員報告這個才是重點嘛我可以說台中市環保局的做法嗎可以跟委員報告一下嗎 |
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我們要求各縣市政府他們必須要提供轄內可以協助產生源的量能包括清除液包括水回清除液市長你還真的是在雲中已經提出這個問題告訴你你首先第一個政策講錯第二個你認識到說是講錯了我們就要解決問題而不是你指令縣市政府縣市政府統統想盡了一些辦法 |
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想辦法要怎麼樣配合你中央所以本席剛剛提出的我們一個結論針對於社區大樓的廚餘沒有辦法現在我們包括到明年底不能給養豬戶來協處的時候這些的清跟允 |
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So 到底要怎麼處理請你們專案去研議專案去研議 告訴我們方向縣市政府你要怎麼樣 人補助他 車補助他怎麼樣配合你中央政府來真正的落實這些問題嘛 對不對 |
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我們會跟地方政府共同你什麼時候給方案給我們你怎麼補助車補助人你要給人家將近380天我們要怎麼做多久時間告訴本席你們的方案怎麼做跟委員報告現在有沒有要補現在有沒有要補有沒有要補我們所有的縣市政府你們必須要用的你的車子你的人 |
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請問有沒有要補到你目前為止你的政策有沒有要補我們看地方政府他因地制宜所採取的方式好 因地制宜啊我們需要請問到目前的政策有沒有要補地方政府收垃圾費他就必須要解決廢棄物處理企劃的問題 |
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市長 談到現在 本強是誠意的希望你專案去研議當你的政策下來 地方政府有困難的時候 拜託拜託 六都各自有因地制宜的做法其他做得好的 我們希望台中可以學習台中的問題你要解決台中的問題 台中市長要面對 |
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市長今天我們是在解決民眾的問題不是政治話術請你好好的去研討請你去解決這個問題方案告訴本席那最後一個議題我要請農業部長 |
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部長我們現在這個非洲中文解決了那麼現在依據我們的規定WOH就是說你在非洲中文最後一個案例完成之後清除後的三個月那麼可以來做申請像菲律賓我們在2023年1月份的時候拿到許可證那9月份開始 |
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來運出 很高興但是呢 我們已經完成了這些事情 請教如果依照這個WOHH的這個申請的模式我們預計會在明年的2月份可以來做申請 你會不會提出 像菲律賓來提出 |
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我跟委員報告第一個部分我們必須向WOH在2月份我們會提出來然後提出來以後他們會做一些審查那審查如果同意讓我們恢復成非議區的話我們會立即再跟菲律賓去做申請 |
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謝謝 第二個部分就是目前相關的這些這些生鮮的這些豬肉是不能外銷的但是加工加熱後的這些豬肉還是持續可以外銷的因為一開始本席就告訴你我們第一 |
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發生的時候第一場我們在這裡也就針對所有肉品市場我們要怎麼樣保護他們均衡他們所以一個階段完我們繼續討論要怎麼樣讓他進進所以剛剛所說的我們預計在二月份的時候能夠給WOAH依照他的繳成流程相關規範 |
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來提出申請我們也希望儘速能夠再拿到這個許可讓我們的肉品市場可以繼續往菲律賓這些來這是我們努力的目標我們來做外銷保護我們的肉品市場我們繼續加油謝謝 |