| IVOD_ID |
166396 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166396 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T09:37:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T09:48:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da7590605b50af980be52a93d053df696e011f84867b29f5c39eb5e19e861c81d6c028e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:16 - 09:48:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請張旗開委員請做詢答謝謝主席 親愛的陳部長跟次長我們再請兩位 謝謝 |
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我們肯定你們這段時間非常努力去防止這個這個非洲豬瘟現在問題是現在看起來那個除移禁止養殊之後 現在看起來很多地方都那個後遺症還有很多地方都需要你們大力去幫忙像現在當地的重大問題現在各個很多地方的那個焚化爐壓力都很大這次市長一直在點頭你有自己去 自己去這個 |
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兩座焚化爐他那個焚化量啊一天210.96公噸現在給他除以 |
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這缸的差不多20.20公噸那現在做了我們做了前面禁止這個廚藝養殖之後那個壓力就更大了當然嘉義市政府很努力啦他馬上就提出了很多的這個這個緊急的這個措施包括希望說要落實這個分類然後廚藝瀝乾以後瀝乾 瀝乾水分之後放到廚藝桶裡面去回收各個縣市政府也很努力的做這件事情然後嘉義市還有很特別的一間我今天要派出去 |
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嘉義市有推這個綠能永續循環園區這個裡面有六大類裡面有一個是抵紮的在利用場那個環境部啊環境部在去年有做了一部分的這個幫忙他總經會一億一千兩百三十五萬那環境部有做的幫忙那現在更需要了所以請多幫忙好不好另外一個這個特別的跟這個廚藝有很大關係你看他特別設立一個廚藝在利用場 |
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因為現在發生了這個非洲疏溫之後好 現在已經很緊張了所以他們在議會就市政府緊急追加 議會通過了他的這個預算特等預算 我跟你講 拜託不一定給我處定就在嘉義市那個廚藝利用那個廚藝在利用場這邊多幫忙 好不好給到什麼 其實各個縣市政府他只要這個廚藝在利用場趕快做好這個壓力才能減輕啦 好不好 OK好 那另外呢 我要幫我們的 |
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同學跟團散業者請命現在就另外一個很嚴重的問題就是營養午餐會不會漲價的問題好像團散業者現在我們做了一個政策的改變嘛 對不對做一個政策改變 改變以後之後現在業者要去清印 量太大了所以現在有卡住 甚至有些價格都在往上跑嘛這是第一個問題 那第二個更嚴重囉那團散業者那個費用增加了 |
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其實現在最擔心的是什麼會不會造成我們營養午餐漲價影響到我們的小朋友這部分是不是兩個部會可以做什麼樣的幫忙跟委員報告一下 |
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如果是在未來的一年因為事業廚餘學校團散集中供應的盛使是可以繼續廚餘養豬的在未來的一年裡面我們估計因為目前大概有277個養豬廠已經提出要申請裝設智慧監控設備他為什麼要裝就是他想要繼續廚餘養豬那目前已經裝好了有133個廠 |
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那因為將來的那個料園只剩下事業廚餘那家戶的廚餘是禁止養豬的所以大家會搶那個料園啦所以學校團散的料園是可以繼續養豬的我們估計可能會有一些繼續養豬的養豬廠會去接收已經不再 就農業部有轉型嘛他有補助 他們就不再吃廚餘的那這個部分的那個產生源的部分會由繼續養豬的部分去接收 |
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現在就是很多人來陳情 團山業者現在很緊張包括中華民國 餐盒 食品 商業同業公會 聯合會 理屬店陳明信你就說了嘛他現在就是說 現在整個廚餘量大爆炸嘛所以業者現在忙不過來對不對跟委員報告 他講的問題是最近這兩個禮拜的事情 不是未來一年 |
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因為這兩個禮拜是短時間對這段時間這段時間是禁止廚藝養豬的全部沒地方去那這段時間的確是各縣市政府都面臨這樣的一個清運這樣因為剛好有一些養豬業者他就不再不再吃廚藝他就他就這個時候決定就不再去收運了以至於這個時候會有缺口大家很很辛苦啦 |
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所以各縣市目前作業的方式就是用清潔隊去收運或者是用開口合約以及清除業者來清除那這個部分的清運費用中央都有補助清運跟處理費用都不收錢他說現在一攤的廚藝用200公斤去省他們這個一天大概處理30桶一家如果30桶一天就給5萬出來我知道 這個是成本啦所以您看市長 |
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我們都有關注這個議題啦短時間之內的處理方式還有未來一年我要跟委員報告大家在估計說轉型之後可能會有他不送去處於養豬那成本就會墊高啦因為你再利用不管用黑水門或堆灰等等那個成本都會有所謂的清運跟處理的費用 |
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那這個部分有去估算以市場的行情大概要到8000塊左右啦那當我們轉嫁之後我們估計小朋友的剩食每個人到底會漲多少這個當然也跟你的一開始菜單的設計營養健康也要美味可口啊那如果能夠源頭就減少廚餘的產生量那需要廚餘的量就會降低各個學校都在努力當中 |
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三个大问题要运得出去嘛你说有步骤还要怎么进一步去帮忙这个你要让他运得出去这个要做你要努力要加快跟加大好不好第二个这个显然就是他的 |
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成本提高了所以你們有一部分的補助對不對那要多幫幫他們渡過這個難關第三個比較重要我覺得第三個比較重要就是你剛剛提的不能夠轉嫁弄到後來問題前面這兩個問題沒有解決弄到後來學生營養午餐受影響所以前面兩個解決完之後第三個去注意 |
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營養午餐錢不只不能夠增加營值不要受影響營養午餐剛有講就是說菜單的實際很重要盡量不要產生剩食那另外教育部也關心這個議題他們也有參與到這個系統裡面去看看怎麼樣去讓源頭可以減量然後是不是營養午餐會反映實際的那這個要看市場機制另外就是餐飲業餐飲業可能也會因為這樣子 |
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那使用者要付費 這個也必須要去面對這個議題市長跟部長 其實就是我們我們肯定你們做了這些措施啦那就是說可是是政策的一個改變嘛所以改變這個過程裡面 他們很多人需要幫忙包括不會影響血統 你們要多努力啦 是不是是因為政策的改變嘛好啦 接下來有兩個很重要其實要改革社會問題 要不要就是再利用嘛 |
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第一個 我要問你很重要的其實2018年的時候那時候你們就有宣布說包括要在六都規劃三座生殖的廚藝廠 對不對有嘛 對不對共同珍珠廠嗎不是 生殖的廚藝廠我去查不清楚 剛才討論的地方有嘛生殖能源中心嗎 是 好生殖廚藝廠嘛 現在欠少了一座啦 |
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跟委員報告目前運作中的就是桃園生殖能源中心他生熟廚餘都可以處理一天135噸那個是我當局長的時候花包的我在桃園當過局長跟委員報告那台中市那一座廠是只有處理生廚餘的部分但目前他在規劃是不是也能夠添加一些熟廚餘那台中市現在非常努力在處理這個部分我們也協助台中市環保局面對這個議題 |
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那另外已經花包中的有籃頭有100噸現在在上網招標中那大概兩年後會蓋好另外台南有一個160噸的高雄有一個150噸的也在規劃中那也可能會是在117年興建完成那個次長這個是在108年的時候農業部跟環境部對外公開的我跟委員報告一下 |
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今天為什麼政策基於風險的管控要做一個落日如果你不做落日的話那個廚餘都跑到養豬場去了啦所以這些民間的在利用設施沒有量能收不到廚餘啦那今天政府已經拍板了一年的轉型期之後就落日所以市場已經看到這樣的一個商機那我們地方政府也看到這樣的在利用必須要新設所以環境部回來協助地方政府加速 |
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這個政策要趕快落實因為目前進度是落後的啦那我們現在現在就是要再利用嘛 對不對日本最成功的是什麼就是飼料化 對不對我看前幾天有立委跟環境部還一起農業部員去嗎去日本考察對不對 |
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我們農業部安排的是農業部安排那回來做了那個做了檢討報告了嗎怎麼去學習日本日本飼料化做得很成功是因為什麼他有飼料的集中處理處理廠對不對那台灣到現在還沒有我想日本能夠成功基本上除了料園第二個部分就是 |
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他們在廚藝的分類做得相當不錯他們的家戶廚藝是直接進到垃圾場去的他們用的是事業廚藝還有食品廠的一個下腳料的部分那相關的這個部分我想我們都已經有一個內部的資料然後後續我想我們會參照這樣的一個精神來協助一些共同珍珠中心願意的話能夠轉型成為一個廚藝的飼料廠 |
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就是我們如果學其他國家做的地方我跟委員補充報告一下喔日本他的家戶廚餘全部不分類直接送焚化爐這不是你要學的啦我們要學的是我們要讓我們的廚餘走在利用所以我們會走生殖能源設施剛剛委員關心的部分另外黑水門或者是堆毀的在利用這個是我們要鼓勵的我們不希望他都用焚化爐來處理廚餘 |
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所以這大概有三個嘛我們現在學的一個日本這個所謂的飼料化你們也去考察嘛對不對當然有人家好的地方我們現在欠的就是至少至少有一個我們飼料化集中水養這樣不行嗎 |
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我去查了沒有嘛 這個可能要考慮你剛剛一直在講了 他的能源化他肥料化 然後講我們都是可以學的就是人家成功我們盡快我們把這個做好 那我們廚藝就減少嘛這是最根本的 那我們時間再薄 趕快做好不好那我剛剛提兩個都是非常急的喔怎麼樣讓廚藝可以運得出去 我們要多幫忙讓這個團散業者問題也可以解決特別重要的 學生營養餐不要上架好不好拜託一下 謝謝 |
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好 我們謝謝 |