| IVOD_ID |
166394 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166394 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T09:28:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T09:37:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da75906b2b9eace89fafe2c3d053df696e011f84867b29f5c39eb5ee93912b86ed9a1c85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:28:22 - 09:37:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我請一下陳部長我們再請陳部長部長好部長我想剛剛我們今天談到的這個廚餘養豬的問題 |
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還是要再進一步請教就你剛剛的報告裡頭我想要釐清幾個問題就是說2027年開始我們就全面禁止廚餘養豬所以過去的那個已經正式申請合法廚餘養豬的現在台灣大概還有420間嘛這420間的養豬場他們的廚餘蒸煮設備你現在說明年一定要把它全部拆完對不對 |
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過去這一些人是因為我們的政策支持所以他去申請了合法的廚餘蒸煮設備現在政策轉彎要求他們明年就要把它全部拆除請問這個損失是算在誰身上是豬農自己要負責嗎還是政府會有一些相關的補貼第二個 |
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接下來的這一些全面禁止廚餘剛剛有提到了植物性的料源這件事情我一直還沒有聽得很完整就是說植物性的料源是可以未來持續用在養豬嗎還是它也是有一個過渡期 |
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如果他可以持續用在養豬的話請問這些植物性的料源要不要蒸煮該不該蒸煮需不需要蒸煮如果不需要蒸煮的話直接拿下去餵豬豬可以吃得下去可以受得了嗎那如果需要蒸煮的話那你現在的這些蒸煮設備拆掉又或者是他上面就鋪了一層 |
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植物性的的這個廚餘下面還是一些家用的或者是什麼樣的這些肉的這些的廚餘該如何追緝該如何管來部長第一個我跟委員報告就是有關於廚餘養豬的部分珍珠設備一定要就是轉成飼料的話他要拆除但是我們對應的補助是30萬到300萬的一個一個衛視系統的一個補助等於說是取代他的 |
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一個增組設備的部分他本來所以你還是要補助他去購買其他的設備就是對 就是衛視設備飼料的衛視設備根據規模30萬到300萬等於說用替代的方式來取代他目前的第二個部分 植物性料源是一直都是可以使用我們從來沒有禁止過那委員說得很好就是說未來增組設備我們一定要拆掉如果不拆的話讓他增植物性料源在原來的場域增組的話 |
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就很有可能造成他又做一個非法的廚餘的使用所以我們現在會規劃有一些共同的類似共同的現在目前苗栗的一個共同增儲中心是不是有機會把它變成一個植物性料園或是廚餘的飼料的一個加工廠我們希望用這樣的方式來提供給豬農部長您剛剛講苗栗這個是統一的增儲中心嗎這個是屬於苗栗縣政府的還是是屬於中央的私人的 |
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私人的珍珠中心那可是你們現在又講說珍珠中心你們要未來要把它統一轉換成EcoFit那這個跟你原來的跟你剛剛講的前面的政策有沒有互相的矛盾共同珍珠中心那你如果說可以用共同珍珠中心珍珠好去提供給豬農去提供來這些不管是這個植物性的料源或者是家用的 |
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還是說以後都只有植物性的家用的完全都不能做 家用完全是不能用的好所以你只有植物性的植物性的透過這個珍珠中心的部分來提供給豬農去養豬不一定是只有苗栗這個廠因為植物性的料園如果有願意成立一個共同珍珠只有植物性料園的部分我們是很樂意來輔導的 |
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那另外現在有的共同政府中心我們會把他復到轉型成為廚餘的飼料化工廠這是兩件不同的事情 |
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那你覺得有沒有可能會有人鑽這個漏洞比如說我上面就鋪了一層厚厚的植物性料園下面還是廚餘你又看不出來你又不能每一桶每一桶翻箱來檢查所以這個就是說我們要用共同的珍珠中心因為共同的珍珠中心它不需要那麼多廠那樣子的話集合就可以很容易集合的到 |
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所以這個集合是你們集合還是是環境部我想是環境部跟我們我想還有地方政府最主要是地方政府要集合我想我們中央跟地方一定跨部會一定會一起所以這個管理辦法有設計好了嗎現在還在討論因為現在還在討論包括其實部長我要談的就是說包括你們講這個GPS |
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用GPS去追蹤到底你的這些植物性的料源從哪裡收植物性的料源需不需要裝GPS目前看起來好像沒有嘛沒有 在明年的過渡期的話他不會只在植物性料源他也會在一些事業廚餘那這個廚餘的車子一定要裝GPS更重要的是這些廚餘的車子去哪邊收他一定要先提出一個清單由環境部跟地方政府確認過以後還可以 |
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部長所以你未來會是植物性的料源跟事業廢棄物事業的廚餘都是同一個一套設備在收嘛是不是所以你的植物性料源有可能那個桶子裡頭其實它也曾經裝過了事業的廚餘對 |
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那你還是把它混雜在一起啊這是過渡期是可以因為過渡期是可以廚餘養豬可以用事業廚餘所以我剛就點到了這個問題你在過渡期裡頭你應該要怎麼樣的去做管理以免交叉感染了解那這個管理的模式跟運作的方式我覺得這個可能也是農業部一個很頭痛或者是應該要趕快及手去處理的包括你們跟環境部之間應該要處理的 |
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一個很重要的核心議題如何避免交叉感染如何的有效的把這一些的事業廚餘或者是植物性的料源做很清楚的分類讓它能夠用在可以使用的地方那剛剛我們講的EcoFit的這些未來的把它轉換成飼料這個進程這個規劃這個設廠建置其實都需要兩三年的時間 |
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那你很快的明年年底就不能再用廚餘養豬了到你的新的Eco-Feed的廠建之好這中間會有一到兩年的gap那這個要如何去補足如何去處理這件事情我想這個也要有賴農業部跟環境部去做更進一步的相關的規劃好那接下來因為時間剩下不多我要請教一下菲律賓現在禁止台灣的豬肉進口我想請教這是防疫的考量還是政治的考量 |
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第一個部分是防疫的考量因為一般生鮮豬肉部分如果說你是疫區的話那相關的根據WHO規範是不可以輸出的所以我們也是主動停止發這個證但是加工用的部分是還可以的包括日本包括新加坡所以是生鮮不行但是加工的是還可以要看國家日本是同意的然後新加坡也同意 |
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这两个最主要的都同意所以刚刚部长您讲到日本同意新加坡同意是加工的加工的这些肉品是可以的所以它不会产生我们所谓一连串的骨牌效应也不会对于台湾的这些猪肉出口的信誉造成重大的影响因为我看农业部大概对于这个评估因为好像你们认为我们出口菲律宾其实量是非常少的所以对于整个出口的影响是非常的低但是我担心的是整个 |
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政治的考量或者是整個骨牌效益所以我這個還是要請部長您再更明確的回答一下我第一個部分就是生鮮的豬肉基本上禁止不同的國家禁止禁止進入他的國家是因為WHO的規範是一個防疫的考量但是加工的部分因為你也是一個防疫因為你加工以後是可以的部分那相關的日本新加坡 |
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這個國家都同意我們去所以沒有所謂的政治的考量好 您確定沒有政治的考量沒有政治的考量好 謝謝好 謝謝 |