| IVOD_ID |
166366 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166366 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T11:53:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T12:05:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b1db5ff001b8f050c2b5fe7457644078f0b698a3a260b0534e62412af60e8a71de5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:53:47 - 12:05:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【12月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席有請何主委請陳主委 |
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好 曾主委您好委員好主委我一直很關心河島這個河廢水啊 排放的一個事情多次的跟您做這樣子的一個諮詢詢問那對於河岸會的赴日查查都很關注我們在這一次呢我有之前對於你這個大雄分析研究中心 |
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做第三方的檢測單位沒有拿到iOS的一個事情也都特別的關注在這邊質疑但是我為掌握日本的排放源頭現況我想 河岸會也很積極的在10月13到18日有進行第六次的赴日實地的一個審查那我想有去做這樣子的一個觀察請問這一次赴日觀察具體參訪的哪些地點跟設施可不可以跟我們分享一下重點有哪些見了誰交換了什麼意見 |
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重点是参观福岛第一核电厂还有福岛厨房中间储存设施以及JAEA大型分析研究中心以及掌握第一核电厨艺作业的安全管制状况他见了哪些人我本人还有好几位会的同仁去参观 |
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不是 我是說你見了哪些人不是說見了你日本管制機關的人長官我們都見過所以交換了哪些具體的意見還是你們只是去聽聽簡報而已 |
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我們對他的整個除污過程以及除疫的過程還有我們都有詳細的了解此外我們還特地去海邊採取海水的樣品回來台灣做檢測對 不好意思我是說你們有沒有交換了什麼意見得到什麼樣的資訊還是只是單純你去聽簡報當然聽簡報也會了解 |
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包括像人才培育 資訊溝通等等我們都有很充分的溝通他們碰到問題在哪裡我們碰到問題在哪裡我們都有很好的溝通 |
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主委我想你回話的時候呢可以再更有自信啦因為這樣子我想全國人民都在看我們的直播我們在這個詢問的過程當中我想有一點點支支吾吾的感覺都會讓人家覺得說到底我們花了這些錢花了這些考察那到底我們去得到了些什麼 |
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我就實際問你我不刁難你啦或許在打詢的過程當中您不一定是可以很暢所欲言但是我想內容有沒有很實際的讓全國人民能夠來審查我想第六次的復日實地的考察完整報告什麼時候會放在網路上 |
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跟委員報告我們現在初稿已經完成那我們預計大概在這個一個月之內就可以放到網路一個月之內是主委可以承諾一個月之內可以嗎沒有問題我們再來看實際的考察具體的內容讓全國人民來看一下另外第二個跟你請問河山重啟的案件經濟部11月28號宣布 |
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已通過台電提交的這個相關核電廠的現況評估報告並確認核二核三有可以再啟動的一個潛力台電預告將於2026年3月我想這個大家都知道今天都談了一整天了大家都很關心那核安會準備好了嗎準備接他的這個相關的評估報告來啟動核安會的程序了嗎 |
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可能會一直職責就一定會接受這個報告我當然知道你一定會接受你準備好了我想12月初經濟部龔明星部長在答詢的時候有指稱國際案例啦都在講國際案例就像你剛剛講的卓榮泰院長可能也是用國際案例去做評估審查約一年半最順利的情況是在2028年可能重啟剛剛你說2028的年終嘛對不對 |
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下半年下半年好啦 年終跟下半年啦好 在這一波的對外溝通中我想 核安會是最重要的一個審查機關但是呢 好像只要我們的政府啊 照程序來走就一定會通過整個社會的氛圍就好像是2028一定會重啟啊諸位 你認同經濟部對外表示最順利的情況2028就一定會重啟的說法嗎 |
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我們核安會一定會嚴格把關我當然知道你會嚴格啊 |
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時程上我們很難給一個確定的日期但我認為經濟部還有現在卓榮泰院長用所謂的國際慣例來做一個評估對外去做一個宣言如果台電的報告做得很完整我們的審查意見他很快能夠回覆現場的設施管理得很好等等先決條件之下那可能就很順利我認為不妥啦 |
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因為核安會是最重要的審查機關沒有去會同你們的意見就對外不斷的放聲好像讓整個社會氛圍都知道2028一定會重啟我覺得這個是不夠謹慎我覺得核安最重要的是什麼安全至上這才是國人期待的那現在我們針對整個核二核三的再運轉計畫我們看到10日 |
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環境部彭啟明部長表態了直接點名和安會他說核電重啟一環評法規定確實無需環評但希望和安會擔負更多的責任環境部也會從環境的角度督促和安會做相關的環境保護的因素納入審查 |
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主委 一个部会的首长直接公开点名另外一个部会要他多负点责任还说要督促核安会来做相关环境保护的因素纳入审查我们看到这种行为在整个我们的体系行政体系来说很罕见主委 有没有要回应一下我觉得环境保护本来就是核安会很重要的责任 |
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辐射对环境影响评估,这是河安会必须负起的责任,也是唯一要负起的单位。其他方面的环境影响,我们会和环境部做沟通协调。 |
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彭部長提出意見我們當然是很感謝他的意見我相信你一定會做就你自己的工作去百分百的努力但是很罕見的竟然會被點名那我想會不會彭啟民部長的這個發言會影響到河安會的這個獨立性 |
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我覺得還好啦我沒有這個感覺啦我想彭啟明部長更直言核電的重啟關鍵是核廢料的處理跟核安的檢查這也是核安必須直接面對的問題我想對於彭部長現在所談的核廢料處理跟核安的檢查核安會的因應對策是什麼 |
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跟委員說明那有關於核安這部分我們就是比照國際的做法就是美國的做法來進行一些安全的評估 |
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那至於核廢料這部分我們還是要參考國際的做法現階段就是要進行乾燥設施的興建跟乾燥來處理那後續就是最終處置的話就是目前經濟部有專案的辦公室來推動最終處置這部分好 那剛剛您所說的不管是我們現在所面臨到核廢料的處理跟核安的檢查那請問一下你覺得環境部在這個過程中它可以扮演什麼角色你們怎麼合作 |
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我看你們再協調一下好了難得你被點名 |
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這個部分我是覺得很詫異啊怎麼會由他來督促你們啊這本來就是你應該核安核廢料就是你要做的啊我想倡議核綠共存的這一個核碩董事長啊童子賢也最近有表示啊台灣在經濟發展同時需要能源但台灣不生產能源因此能源的選項顯得非常重要有人說台灣地球人俠 |
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不適合核能但他認為不妨參考比利時跟瑞士對能源的一個選擇歐盟就以實際的行動實現了核綠共存核綠共存可以在支持台灣經濟發展和民生需求的電力同時也改善空汙的一個影響諸位你支不支持核綠共存 |
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核安會的職責就是保證核電能夠安全運轉我知道 這個我都知道你講的已經三次了至於核能源的政策或能源配比的問題這個不在核安會管制之下 |
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這應該我們可以尊重經濟部的意見好 謝謝 我也不再多做逼問了最後一分鐘 拜託一下 趙偉主委 我昨天 外環委員會排審身心障礙者權益保障法條文修正草案 |
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有幾個問題跟你就教一下也安排了身心障礙者權益保障的專案報告我們看到身心障礙者的權益保障法有規定各級目的事業主管機關辦理公共資訊無障礙的一個服務的時候要協助身心障礙者來參與 |
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主委 河岸會有一個APP叫河岸一點通 對吧要換你了啦 剛剛只是前言而已這個APP作為民眾了解河能安全緊急應變資訊的重要管道請問其公共資訊無障礙化的具體辦理進度如何 |
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謝謝委員跟委員報告那我們也是遵照速發部推動的普及與深化政府網站與行動化應用軟體無障礙設計行動方案來辦理然後依照我們原來的這個排程我們會預計在115年年底前會完成整個無障礙的送檢 |
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那目前我們在明年的預算以及時程規劃上都已經做好準備以上我想速度要快這今天在這邊點一下身心障礙者數位參與是所謂的法律明文保障剛剛葉委員就在講我們的這個核安全島 |
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身心障礙者也有權利去參與到這一些啊但是他們在這個河岸一點通裡面就沒辦法去點閱甚至沒有無障礙的這個APP對他們來說這就是一個資訊的剝奪嘛所以主委今天我在這邊提出也希望督促你們應該就你們的APP來做一個有效率的趕緊趕上 可以嗎可以 謝謝委員的意見好 謝謝好 謝謝羅廷維委員 |