| IVOD_ID |
166364 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166364 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T11:30:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T11:40:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b1b75ec7f525852098b5fe7457644078f06cb862312e5c4d1f336af6a97fec288a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:06 - 11:40:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【12月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請主委好 有請陳主委 |
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主委好 委員好今年5月核管法修法之後我們有看到新聞就是台電會把再運轉計畫預計是明年的3月就會提送給你們核安會那麼我們也看到你們特別提到核一廠大概 |
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就是除以了啦雖然要40加20但是停機已經多年但是你們評估合二合三是OK的 |
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那麼核二的部分他要先移除反應爐內的燃料燃料池進空之後才提報那核三的話因為是剛停機所以你們覺得設備是維持良好的有再運轉的一個可能性好 那現在我也看到一個新聞就是彭啟明這個環境部的部長 |
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他聽到台電會把再運轉計畫送到河安會他希望河安會要去做環評將環保納入考量先請教一下主委你的意見如何河安會的職責是確保河電的安全 |
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輻射對環境影響的評估就是核安會責任核安會這方面也會負起完全的責任保證所以你們會啟動環評會啟動環評保證會對這方面做好環境的評估其他方面的議題我們會和環境部來協商討論 |
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好 那您看看就是這個換發執照的程序 |
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整體性老化評估及老化管理報告實現老化分析報告相關中期安全分析報告運轉技術規範增修內容輻射相關液體查核評估報告耐震安全評估說明其他經主管機關指定文件所以我不太了解 諸位您剛剛說您非常支持一定會納入去做環境的評估那不曉得是在哪一個部分 |
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輻射相關議題的評估報告就會包括對環境的影響環境影響評估報告就是我們核安會的職權所以您說第四項輻射相關議題查核評估報告這個就是環境評估報告對 輻射對環境影響評估就是我們核安會的責任所以您只做輻射環評的這個部分你只負責輻射單項 |
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其他的議題是交給台電嗎其他的議題我們會跟環境部來討論好 謝謝因為我們在礦業法修法的時候當時我們也做了一件事情因為以前是他們說你的祖先同意我挖 |
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就表示他永遠可以挖 沒有這回事嘛所以我們礦業法修法之後如果你要研你也必須要做部落諮商同意那現在一樣當年也沒有環評所以也沒做過可是現在既然要研議我想這個部分 主委你剛剛的態度我們也聽到了 你是很支持的你覺得該做 而且你們也會做 對不對 |
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我們對環境服飾方面我們會做的好那謝謝喔那現在我就是要請教另外一個問題喔就是你們有沒有將在地居民的意願納入審查評估的項目裡面我沒看到 |
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跟委員說明那個運轉執照申請的審核辦法相關的技術文件所必須要審查的要項我們都是參考美國的做法然後拉進來我們有自己中華民國的法律延續法都有結果你參照美國 |
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跟委員報告說明那換照主要的精神是在確認說機組的設備在未來的繼續運轉期間能夠完全運轉不是只有礦業法啦現在所有的再生能源每一個都會踐行只要是公有地傳統領域都要遵照原基法踐行部落諮商同意 |
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這個是其他的部會都已經在做的事情所以我想這個部分因為我沒有看到那我想請教一下主委 這個怎麼辦 |
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好沒有關係我希望你們就是要去找園民會來討論一下那我希望這個部分我等一下最後的時候我再做一個比較清楚的訴求的要求那另外我想要請教一下因為我看到行政院的國家永續發展委員會下有一個非核家園的小組 |
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那麼他最後一次開會是110年的4月已經滿久了所以我想要請教一下主委這個行政院的非核家園推動小組他好像已經沒有再開會 |
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也沒有積極的督促經濟部或台電針對低階核廢的最終處置或者是高階核廢的一個處理的嚴厲的立法所以我只想請教我們核安會的主委你覺得這個非核家園小組還有沒有存在的必要 |
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這應該請行政院來回覆沒有啊 我只是請教您啊你是要推動核的啊我只是問說那個推動非核的你覺得他們那個小組還有存在的必要嗎 |
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因為核安會執掌只是核安管制方面的工作我當然知道啊所以我只是請教你你覺得它有沒有存在的必要反正你們已經也要提報再運轉計畫了 |
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報告委員,這個飛蛾家園的專案小組,其實是行政永續會所成立的,當年成立這個有它的目的, |
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目前是開會開到第六次那為了進一步來探討核後端相關議題那核安會我們在今年的四月十號有去見請發函非核小組來希望他們能夠來推動第七次那你那個公文給我辦公室好不好我們促請非核小組來開的公文因為我們大家都很納悶啊還要不要推非核家園啊是不是我們有發過這個文 |
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好來那下一個部分我也想再請教就是我們看到新聞日本福島第一核電廠它要進行第17次排放寒川廢水那核安會這邊的報告也看到了你們的儀表板都是不合格件數0000也就是都很合格 |
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但是我想請教一下因為你們的採樣是色跟川但是核種類很多啊例如什麼呢碳14啊.129啊請教一下主委這一些你們沒有在檢測嗎 |
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跟委員報告碳14我們在113年已經研發完成今年我們就按照新的方法在檢測所以第18次排放的時候我們會看到碳14就對了不是 我們目前對碳14的檢測魚類的檢測目前看起來都跟國際的但是我們沒有看到你們儀表板有啊 |
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很多人也想看到碳14啊 點129啊好 那我們回去來檢討一下好 我們希望下次看到好不好是因為這個不重要 這個核種不重要沒有安全疑慮還是因為我們的技術 檢測技術沒有達到我們的技術是沒有問題 那因為目前我們那技術沒有問題我就安心啦 |
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主要是我們目前監測的核種是以川跟色為主但是很多人不這麼想啊核的種類那麼多為什麼每次看到你們就檢測這個川所以大家有疑慮啊所以我才來問啊那既然檢測技術沒問題下次就給我們好不好所以我剛剛以上所提的就是希望說兩個月內可以找原民會或者找衛福部環境部 國科會 中研院就是 |
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針對這一些到底要不要做部落諮商同意要不要做環評怎麼做還有這些川以外的何種到底它對人體的危害的風險還有控管標準能夠提出一個報告可以嗎 主委好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席好 謝謝伍麗華委員 |