| IVOD_ID |
166356 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166356 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T10:32:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T10:46:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b1c7c3bc1cdf221d27feb4e86bf6119d1246f29551fe3ea0e5d5dcb3123ad56a9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:18 - 10:46:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部、審計部、行政院主計總處等就「八百萬助理費變成小金庫，立法院組織法恐成自肥法案？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員許智傑等23人擬具「立法院公費助理任用法草案」案。） |
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好 謝謝翊川主席好 有請我們張富命張富命請法務部司長司長委員好 |
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大家早安喔這哪裡是進步的國會這根本是退回36年前的退步國會所以民進黨反對自肥法案立場非常清楚今天上午有一些他黨的委員在這裡質詢我也非常認真的聆聽我認為這些在野黨的委員沒有人敢直求對決 |
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他們可能會提到過去哪些案例或者是要扯到民進黨哪些涉案的委員之類的就是沒有人敢針對陳玉珍立委的這一個助理費除罪話國民黨或民眾黨真實的立場是什麼沒有人該表達 |
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民進黨非常清楚反對自肥的法案非常清楚現在在我們的三樓有一個讓立委簽署的我們跟國會助理站在一起民進黨的立委我們都具名簽署代表我們負責的責任下一頁今天呢朝野協商成了自肥法案最好的遮羞布了嗎看來就是如此嘛 |
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從來沒有昨天下班前急急忙忙的也從來沒有看過韓院長這麼認真啊早上九點就要朝野協商的啊過去朝野協商韓院長大概都是下午的時間然後呢快速的安排一個朝野協商九點鐘好早啊韓院長辛苦了為了護航掩護週萬來要起個大早來朝野協商 |
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原來呢周恩來就是可以拿到一個請假單就您來這裡代打了我們來看看今天朝野協商讓我覺得是非常諷刺的一場協商說是要挺年輕人你們都說國會助理是我們的家人結果呢今天協商要反年改 |
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把現在限職公務人員未來可能領不到退休金的這個風險就是要強行通過了讓可能造成年改基金破產7000億的缺口要全民買單對我們跨世代的年輕世代哪裡公平這是第一個反年改的議案今天要協商 因為明天就要表決 |
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然後呢更離譜的民眾黨最近因為有委員逼迫立委啊對不起逼迫助理們可能去撤遷了相關的反自肥的法案所以呢哎呦趕緊的又沒收了 |
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黨團協商林怡景召委的權限青年基本法現在法案委員會完成審查正在進行教育委員會林怡景召委他依程序要進行的黨團協商也在努力安排也在溝通爭議的法案 |
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但是呢韓院長突然這麼勇於認識欸早上九點起個大早要協商趕快沒收了林怡瑾 昭偉還沒排的黨團協商居然韓院長要越組太刨先來進行青年基本法的協商我覺得光看今天的協商的這一個通知我就覺得非常的諷刺啊 |
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反年改就是踐踏世代正義然後讓周恩來拿到了一個嫁單不敢來這裡直球對決這個自肥的法案就是傷害我們國會助理的工作權利更踐踏了我們的國會問政的專業 |
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然後呢排了一個青年基本法我看了實在非常生氣青年基本法吳斯堯是全立法院第一個提出法案催生的立委我從上一屆就提出了我還在努力的催生他爭議的條文我不放棄的去溝通跨黨派的委員我希望青年基本法大家是在共識的狀況之下挺青年不要用表決的方式來通過所以我們還在努力 |
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可是今天的朝野協商反年改踐踏世代正義挺自肥傷害國會助理的工作權益然後呢擺了一個要催生青年基本法我覺得這根本就是好虛偽喔你們立法委員這些大人們看在年輕世代的眼裡好虛偽喔 |
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如果是挺青年的就業權工作權生存權怎麼會去反年改呢怎麼會去挺陳玉珍的這個法案周恩來今天不敢來這裡直球對決呢我是非常的怒不可一呀把青年基本法這一個正向的法案居然跟反年改跟挺自肥綁在一起立法院太丟臉了下一頁 |
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您剛剛沒有回答喔 剛剛莊瑞雄教委一直在cue您喔助理費除罪化的修法 哪裡進步哪裡進步您沒有回答 我要不要再給您一點時間 您要不要來回答教委員因為今天真的沒有去研究到陳委員的一個法案的實質的內容那你們不是非常過分嗎立法院吵得這麼沸沸揚揚的事件 |
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你們說你們沒有去研究來到這裡還要混今天排的是徐委員的那個草案啦所以我們就徐委員的草案那我現在問你啊徐委員是很進步等一下我會跟您談他的法案內容那陳玉珍委員的法案哪裡進步哪裡進步你答不出來你不敢答因為這個部分我們尊重個別委員的意見 |
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對 這就是你們的立場韓國瑜院長講得好聽任何修法都不該來侵害助理的工作權但是下一頁你們今天的報告寫得非常清楚 |
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公費助理的聆聘、解聘、聘用資格、薪資、工作內容、拆勤管理、各項人事管理都是雇主立委的權責你們立法院只負責行政的協助所以說我們沒地帶啦 立委的事啦 |
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剛剛王逸川問得非常好啊如果這個立委他沒有請半個助理請問你的助理費是不是還要撥款給立委您再回答一次是不是要撥款會如何進行如果這位立委你明知他沒有請半個助理那這筆錢你怎麼做行政處理我想這個部分是公款公用啦有聘助理我們再撥款啦應該是這樣的法理啦你說什麼 再說一次 |
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我想國家的錢嘛 公款就是公用啦是那有聘助理當然就有撥啦那沒有聘助理理解上應該是不可以啦喔 那您剛剛回答王逸川委員的說法你自己忙打臉自己囉您剛剛回答王逸川的是說你依法還是要撥款那現在 好 您再回答你可以更正沒有關係如果這一個助理 這個立委沒有聘任任何助理 |
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然後他每個月的這個助理費是零啊因為陳玉珍的法案是鬆綁了所有的下限上限的人數嘛那你的每個月四五十萬的助理費是不是依舊撥款您再嚴謹的回答一次我剛剛回答的跟現在沒有違背啦我剛剛回答的是說如果我們的法律是這樣的規定這樣通過的話那它就是一個統籌運用的概念 |
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好那你又回答刚刚就没有所谓的那我听懂了您的意思确实就是陈玉珍要除罪话他的提案的核心要指助理费就是立法委员实质薪资之一部分立法委员对此一补助费之运用自有完全的处分权限其运用范畴不以助理费为限这是他的提案说明 |
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我想委員誤會啦 我沒有去做我沒有去就陳委員的草案來做任何的分析你這樣繞來繞去那你到底撥不撥款看他法律怎麼規定我們怎麼處理啦應該是這樣所以現在的法律是沒有陳玉珍這個惡法啊如果這個惡法過了你就是得撥款了不是嗎是不是就是這樣嘛 |
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這就是我剛剛所回答的那個依法執行就是這樣子所以這是讓大家大吃一驚啊我們來看最後一頁喔 進負二讀那一頁我是覺得這件事情除了是助理的工作權 勞動權益之外這更是國會專業問政的提升 |
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580.788 |
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我們的助理費就像剛剛Pelosi的那個議案就是要提升我們的合理的薪資可以去聘任到專業的人他願意投入公共事務他願意來為國家的立法修法為國家的預算把關來進行最好的一個公共服務所以他必須有合理的待遇但是呢現在的立法院不需要專業了我說真的不需要專業了 |
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582.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
600.547 |
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在你們偉大的韓國瑜院長周萬來秘書長的領導之下搭配藍白主導法案不用審啊 禁負二讀就好啊委員會的專業討論算什麼完全都不需要委員會的討論了 |
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602.645 |
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629.477 |
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如果有委員會的討論就像年改翁小玲讓我們用一天的時間來討論年改2017年是花了一整年社會討論年金改革2025年用委員會各一天的時間每個立委只有三分鐘翁小玲說她要嚴格限制委員的發言時間因為翁小玲認為充分的討論是不需要的 |
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631.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
652.048 |
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這個還是有交付委員會審查的議案 每個委員三分鐘我當立委 也三任了我過去當任國會助理 二十多年前我從來沒有看過這麼好混的立法院委員會 每個委員只要三分鐘請他坐下來就好了不需要專業 不需要準備 |
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653.43 |
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669.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
然後呢更多數的議案是禁覆二讀委員會close只要立委會表決就好如果立委只是會表決就好表決的工具真的不需要太專業的問政募聊了不是嗎 |
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670.635 |
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685.089 |
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這是我現在最痛心立法院制度決定立法院的社會形象制度的運行來決定我們國會的問政是提升還是退化 |
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712.414 |
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如果凡是用進付二讀的方式我這裡列出來啦從公投綁大選政黨的這個救國團條例離島建設條例為中國起產地才化法國民黨版一年搬走國家1.4兆包括這個光電四法一次的扼殺了能源轉型包括法庭直播草率上路包括呢癱瘓憲法法庭包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
713.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
737.296 |
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公職人員選罷法沒收了罷免權這些全部是禁覆二讀委我們的助理每天為了我們在這裡質詢上質詢台要非常認真的收集資料但是現在立法院如果制度是退化成這樣當然啊陳玉珍也許就是這種制度下 |
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739.332 |
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765.211 |
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的想當然而助理請那麼多幹嘛立委拿來花就好了也不太需要助理了因為不需要專業討論了全部都近乎二讀立委只要會表決就好現在的立法院真的是專業最淪喪的時刻最後的時間你們今天的這個報告我還是覺得非常的遺憾我們看許智傑的那兩頁什麼是進步性的法案 |
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783.442 |
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許智傑委員提的公費助理的任用法在資訊透明的部分薪資機制要給予必要的調整而且鼓勵久任跟專業深化的資深專業家級他更進步 |
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784.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
803.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
也要確保助理執行職務如果遭逢危險的人身安全也給予助理的健檢的健檢的權利還有呢如果非自願離職也要提供必要的勞動權益的保障以及要提供立法院助理團隊必要的訓練制度下一頁 |
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804.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
815.463 |
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還有助理需要有保密的義務助理需要做到利益衝突的迴避連結義務的進行助理也要反滲透 |
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817.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
839.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
助理也需要限定選轉門條款助理如果有不法的行為也應當啟動懲戒的機制什麼是進步的法案這才是進步的法案立法院要自律要克責才是全責相扶而不是一再的自肥一再的自我圖利 |
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841.058 |
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851.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那就是擴權如此而已什麼是進步的法案請參考民進黨立委的提案兩相比較高下立判辛苦了 謝謝 |