| IVOD_ID |
166354 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166354 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T10:19:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T10:32:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b13f85e5cbb5e8675bfeb4e86bf6119d1246f29551fe3ea0e548780db23e8b7b075ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:22 - 10:32:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部、審計部、行政院主計總處等就「八百萬助理費變成小金庫，立法院組織法恐成自肥法案？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員許智傑等23人擬具「立法院公費助理任用法草案」案。） |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們立法院副秘書長副秘書長法務部洪司長洪司長審計部副審計長副審計長還有行政總署副組計長副組計長 請這樣就好好 委員好我想我先回應一下王宏威委員不是說不邀請司法院因為這個 |
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這一部法的主管機關就是我們日本人嘛 對不對所以這人要找到對啦那我想先請副秘書長我來唸給你聽一下昨天的 今天十月嘛 昨天9號嘛立法院的新聞稿你有看到沒有你怎麼寫 你怎麼寫你簡單講一下 核心新聞稿的核心是什麼權益跟家人 |
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對啊 權益跟家人就是國會助理是立法院我們的家人跟我們這個韓院長立法院叫捍衛助理的權益這樣一句話你今天都沒說出來 我覺得這樣很可惜啦第二個 整部草案 陳委員的草案核心就只有一個 |
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說兩行 第一所有的助理的薪資 全部變成立法委員薪資的一部分這個法案你應該都看過了嘛 這個就明講嘛那這樣合不合理 社會之有公定但問題是你怎麼會連說 跟韓院長的說法都不一樣 不敢說第一 最可怕的是什麼 你知道嗎不用核銷 不用檢據最後是什麼 免刑責嘛就是除罪話嘛 就這麼簡單嘛 |
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你覺得要尊重立法院這個是立法院韓院長昨天發出來的新聞稿我再給你看三年前三年前 |
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2022年12月22號 裴洛西眾議院的議長他去講說他的公開信 他說幕僚對眾議院來講的話他的運作不可或缺 確保履行我們的立法跟服務選民的職責我們必須盡一切努力留才 招募最優秀的人加入身為議長 首要任務就是要把最傑出 多元背景的人才帶入國會山莊 |
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人家的陪落詩是這樣說的你們韓國瑜是說 憤怒憤怒那副秘書人來這裡教教 蘇財霖 蘇財霖立法院沒關係 稍後通過以後變成新知的一部分 跟我們無關的那立法院做出了決定你這個態度就讓我覺得好可怕很可怕 這個是一個副幕僚長你今天代表立法院來我認為這樣子對國會助理來講的話不妙啦 不妙啦我要跟你講的就是說 |
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這個案子 開國庫的後門把公費變成私帳這些錢 民脂民膏嘛 你們很清楚嘛來自於老百姓嘛老百姓會贊成 說這些本來該給助理的全部變立法委員的薪水以前叫做犯罪的 現在都變 沒關係啊你立法院副秘書長 你說這樣沒關係 尊重你立法院不好你不應該介入黨派 |
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立法院是國家的立法院這個很清楚的嘛這種案件哪有什麼黨派的之爭呢這種案件就是用社會一般正常的眼光去看就知道啦可不可以這樣說我簡單聽 你就看完立法院的行政幕僚人員都是嚴守行政中立是嘛 行政中立對阿 總組你們就看完啦這樣你這樣這個態度要怎麼捍衛國會助理你這樣這個態度要怎麼像你們韓國瑜說的助理叫做家人我跟你們講喔 |
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立法委員的國會助理都沒有薪水會不會很多助理來 會一堆這個法案通過以後就叫劣幣驅逐良幣欸 我有專欠的人 我來幫你立法做助理什麼的薪水輸在你立法委員給我的酸 有專欠的人 讓他酸了啊有一堆人說沒有關係 |
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不要錢我也要你只要給我當你的幕僚當你的助理就好了會變成怎麼樣搞不好立法院是在監督行政部門那如果國會助理到最後是隨便給甚至可以不用錢的一大堆這種助理進入到立法院以後國會監督行政部門的力量崩潰 |
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第二 變成一個利益交換的地方因為這些不要錢的立法會的國會助理他也必須要養活他自己的家庭啊那大家都亂做啊所以你們都不知道這個法案萬一通過 |
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對於整個立法院的運作還有監督行政部門那個整個制度力道完全崩毀掉以後對整個國家那種可怕的一個影響啊我今天對你這樣一個態度我是我是感覺很可怕的啦另外啊我要來比較一下 |
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國會助理本來是立法院運作 他們叫做贏武者啦也是國會立法品質的一個軟實力啦你從1992年修法確立助理的薪水直接匯入賬戶以後確立薪資他已經不是對於立法委員的補貼的性質了啦 |
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你說到了1999年2011年編制跟費用逐步去調整加入了加班費跟臨終獎金2025年我們現在的每一位委員辦公室每月的助理費是47萬你如果14個去算 |
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其實一個助力平均才三萬多啦在台北市的副民事長也很清楚嘛我三位機關代表也很清楚嘛這錢是要怎麼有錢我們想盡辦法要幫這個助理啊看能不能給他提升啊你現在不是,這就解讀出來很可怕很可怕我剛剛提了裴洛西啊 |
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人家美國前眾議院議長佩洛西他講的不是口號他直接用命令他說全國國會助理全職的國會助理薪資不得早於4萬5千美金美國眾議員的薪水是17萬喔佩洛西的命令是什麼你知道嗎高階助理薪資上限直接拉到21萬2千100為什麼他敢這樣拉到比國會議員的薪資還要高 |
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很清楚啊 他認為是他們這些國會助理對於整個眾議院的一個運作是不可或缺的啊所以他們想盡辦法努力要留才把最優秀的人要招攬進他們的國會山莊人家做的叫做什麼 改革啊 人才提升啊我們現在做的叫做什麼 助理會全部整包交給立法委員 免核銷 免收據 |
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這是哪門子的一個改革啊今天就很可惜啦 今天本來就是秘書長要來草野協商本都在阿波的 你就很技巧性你就來這裡做稻草人不然來 你也這樣 呵呵啊 義正慈嚴 表達一下態度 讓你請一下這樣對不對我不忍苛責你 但是我是覺得你那個角色啊 |
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沒有搞清楚沒有搞清楚啦所以你們口口聲聲說是關心助理的工作權你們這些都叫做場面話啦這個歷史會給出最公允的評價也會記住是哪一位院長在改革的十字路口上選擇轉身離開啦所以你們這個立法院做這個幕僚我覺得很可惜啦這幕僚長 你算今天代表來你看我們界邊的監察院 |
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駕駛檢察院檢察委員公費助理一人多少你知道嗎他年薪七十六萬五月薪六萬三司法院大法官助理依照薪資的折合起薪最低五萬五最高達七萬立法院的三四萬大家在爭執所以草野立委其實立場就算是有差異但都有一個共識 |
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是如何想盡辦法來透過體制內的預算調整實質提升助理的待遇這不同黨派的委員都是這樣想的王鋒威委員也這樣想的你不是 你來看了這個哎喲 這莊瑞最白的 這民進黨白的我就要趕快站在國民黨這邊你在搞什麼我在跟你審法案你這個態度不對 |
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態度不對你們這樣會把整個制度去把它徹底去把它給摧毀掉你不覺得國民黨的你很愛的那副分子總召說這次的進步法案你講不出來喔我請你評價一下這部草案進步在什麼地方你告訴我簡單兩句話就好講完後面我們給我們行政部門做一個仲裁者 |
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報告委員啊 因為我們排的是徐委員的法案啦不是陳委員的法案是嘛 一定表達嘛沒有不對嘛 就是要問你這個嘛啊不然我不這樣排 你們完全迴避嘛你們連來都不會來嘛 對不對你當作我菜市場 我不知道你在想什麼啊 回應一下委員排我們一定會來 |
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我告訴你 我是針對整個國會幕僚 國會助理 |
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如果說這個草案通過以後 這一些薪資全部變成立法委員薪資的一部分你沒有看法 你算知識份子咧你來做到刮掉大家 欸 都當成沒關係 給那些日本人很大你們說怎麼樣就怎麼樣 可以這樣子喔你後面那些行政部門 至少人家來講話都不會像你們那麼蒼白無力 |
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人家自己提出各部門他們自己的看法國會助理這部草案國會助理的權益立法院秘書處你們可以沒有看法我請你真正表達一下這個部分 |
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我想也不是沒有看法這個問題我們其實私底下有在討論過分為兩個部分一個部分是專業的部分一個部分是權益的部分那如果是專業的部分的話我們會參考其他國家或者是我們希望有一個專業培訓認證制度這個也可以提出來 |
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是啦 我在說錢的部分啦這個是改革動 應該這個早就該做這個是簽到權益嘛那簽到權益 因為委員剛才提到我們是一個合一致的單位嘛合一致的機關所以對於酬金的這個增加就像剛剛委員所提到的裴洛西的那個看法一樣其實裴洛西的看法我們也相當認同因為不同的專業這個程度他會有不同的一個酬金的資金是嘛 |
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我很樂意聽到你說對於美國前眾議院議長裴洛西他這樣的一個他們的一個作為你們是認同的可是問題你們現在的作為跟這個草案提出來你們的態度完全是相反啦我告訴你這部法案陳委員這部草案過了以後真正核心問題在哪裡除罪話啦 你也算不知道你都沒態度 |
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我想酬金的部分要怎麼樣去做調整可以藉由黨人協調的方式來做處理現在到病了你不覺得現在到病了嗎跟你想的剛好相反要有立法院 秘書處立法院 今天這個破亂到這裡要有立法院的態度 |
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回去好好看一下你們昨天發出來的新聞稿再好好看一下2022年人家裴若曦那個公開聲明 好不好好 謝謝 |