| IVOD_ID |
166352 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166352 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T10:10:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T10:19:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b1315f1a85a5442260b5fe7457644078f046f29551fe3ea0e5eebc5b1f2304e56a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳沛憶 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:32 - 10:19:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【12月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席我請何安慧主委請陳主委 |
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主委好主委我想核能安全是國人大家都非常重視的那因為今天我要請教幾個比較具體的計畫所以等會如果是直接是業務單位相關的也就請同仁直接來回答我們這個在時間之內希望可以來充分討論關核安會我們長期有在蒐集國際上面的核安重要的資訊也持續的跟國際組織國際原子能總署保持聯繫 |
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那今年二月的時候發生一件事情也就是車諾比的核電廠遭受到無人機的攻擊造成什麼問題呢他們的防止輻射外洩的新安全為主體受到損傷那上個月呢國際原子能總署還有一個追蹤的報導我先請教一下這一個核電廠它的新安全為主體受到損害會造成什麼嚴重的影響 |
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一開始的話目前還沒有真的到有嚴重影響 |
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但是如果持續下去的話是有可能造成環境的威脅什麼樣的威脅呢因為他們現在趕快在修復了嘛所以這個新安全為主體它是什麼樣的功能為什麼要做這個東西防止輻射外洩對安全當然很重要尤其這一個核電廠 |
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當年輻射外洩的時候 1986年我甚至還沒出生但是到今天 直到今天為止我們都還要為了這個防止核輻射外洩的事情要做很多的準備因為它這個傷害是無可回復的所以呢 我就要請這個何安慧來去了解因為它12月5號的時候我看國際原子能總署還發布了一個新聞稿 |
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那就是說這個車諾比核電廠遭受的無人機襲擊烏克蘭方面已經指出說這個就是俄羅斯對他們發動的戰爭的攻擊把他這個新安全為主體整個破壞掉破壞了一部分那他本來是可以密閉的嘛現在變成沒有辦法密閉就如同畫面所示你們有沒有跟國際員警能從屬來了解這個最新的狀況呢 |
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國際上面的核安資訊跟委員報告我們都有持續掌握國際原子能總署跟其他的國際資訊有什麼樣的資訊可以跟我們分享委員有提到新實慣新安全為主體的受損目前IEA的最新的檢視是顯示它的密封性確實像委員所說的是有結構上是有受到破損 |
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不過它的在整個承載的部分以及它裡面輻射監測的部分是沒有問題的所以現在正在進行緊急的修復現在就是趕快緊急修復對所以我想這個案例其實是提醒我們也叮嚀我們在戰爭的極端情境下 |
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這個核安他可能會提高他的威脅程度那核電廠當然也就是台灣的防衛韌性防災韌性很重要的一部分因為我也是立法院全民防衛這個連線的會長那總統府也推動了全身衛防衛韌性委員會我們各個部會現在都在投入來去做事先的評估有準備最重要有準備才安全所以包括了權動署包括了內政部 |
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全動署出了一本台灣安全指引小局書內政部最近開始要全台灣進到社區來向民眾說明當災難發生時候我們應該要怎麼準備我們事先要準備什麼物資我們應該要怎麼樣來疏散我們可以怎麼樣來自救以及助人那所以呢我想要請問我們核安會針對我們核電廠倘若在戰爭當中受到攻擊我們有沒有相關的緊急應變計畫 |
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報告委員目前電廠都已經訂了面臨軍事威脅下確保河岸的準備跟應變計畫那也有相關的一個程序書所以電廠也透過每年的年度河岸演習跟場內的演習去做一個演練檢視每年我們都有演習嘛因為它不只是場區內因為一般最可能會發生的後果兩個一個大規模爆炸另外可能是場區內大範圍的火災 |
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所以他可能要協同的就包括了我們兵警力你可能有消防醫護通通都要投入能不能請教一下按照我們現在你們緊急計劃都有訂地嘛對不對倘若是場區發生大範圍的火災我們第一步要做什麼民眾第一步要做什麼我住在旁邊而已我第一步要做什麼 |
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民眾的部分嗎 因為他可以向誰來請教資訊還是上你們的網站上面有資訊公告嗎我們的網站上都會有相關的資訊公告網站有資訊公告那他在現場 談論他事前沒有看過你們這個網站因為除了我以外我想我們立法院也沒幾個人看過那真的要很關心你們核安會才會去看這個他在現場事前沒看過聽到這個發布警報他第一時間應該做什麼事情 |
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如果是發布警報那就表示就是有核子事故的疑慮我們就會請民眾先進入室內也就是像剛剛委員有提到的就是政府有發布的那個小局書裡面我們就有就是宣導如果遇到核子事故要聽看聽誰會去請民眾要進到室內誰會在現場協助疏散在我們就是警報發布的時候就會請民眾要進到那個現場去做誰會做這件事呢 |
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現場誰會去請民眾要進到室內應該不會是你們啦你們在很遠的地方我們有核子事故監測中心到時候監測中心成立的時候會在就是現場緊急應變器那些單位要進駐到這個事故中心包括核安會跟我們所屬的輻射偵測中心然後以及台電公司的放射試驗室還有其他的相關像內政部我們核安會由誰來進駐誰是現場的第一指揮官 |
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是我們輻射偵測中心輻射偵測中心的主任那我們會有幾個人力來投入呢我們的人力部分嗎對 我們核安會自己核安會自己這個因為每年都有演練嘛 |
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報告委員 輻射建設中心會的成員有包括相關政府機關包括台電 然後內政部所以我們進駐中心演習的成員一次大概會有三四十位同仁三四十位那有關於警力啊 醫護啊 消防啊這個需要跟地方政府協調的我們是有什麼窗口來進行橫向的聯繫 |
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在演習的時候我們會有設置前進協調所是相關部會的長官都會在現場那輻射監測中心如果有任何的需求物資人員或者技術上的協助的時候我們會透過前進協調所來請各部會提供相關的資源 |
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好 非常好因為其實我們每年都有進行演練我也看過你們的資料我們是有計畫也有在準備的我們甚至河岸會也要求台電及各河電廠要去增加戰爭因應措施例如河岸演練但是主委今天我要提醒您因為我們現在在推動的全社會防衛任性最重要的是除了我們政府有準備以外我們要讓民眾知道 |
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萬一發生災害因為災害有很多種可能是天然災害可能是地震有可能是核災各種的災害的型態當發生的時候我們要怎麼樣來準備所以呢我認為核安會或者你們來要求這個事業機關其實必須要開始來進行社會的教育 |
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我們有做相關的準備但是這些資訊必須要公開必須要公開透明讓民眾可以知道萬一發生災害的時候如何來保護自己如何來保護家人如何來保護社區這我想是非常重要的所以能不能在預算審查之前何安惠給我一個初步的方向可以的好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝委員 |