| IVOD_ID |
166348 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166348 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T09:37:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T09:47:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/83ea75f4c686a7b17f27dd0f2118155afeb4e86bf6119d12b7d004183700ea532eac597dcc0aeba65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:12 - 09:47:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部、審計部、行政院主計總處等就「八百萬助理費變成小金庫，立法院組織法恐成自肥法案？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員許智傑等23人擬具「立法院公費助理任用法草案」案。） |
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好 謝謝主席我們請立法院副秘書長跟勞動部的同仁 謝謝副秘書長還有勞動部專委李專委副秘書長好 委員好 |
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請問一下這個最近陳玉珍等28名委員的提案你有看過嗎大概有看了一下好那這個提案跟115年116年2026年立法院的預算書的內容那有沒有要調整如果必要的時候我們的內容可能會做調整好那這個立委的這個公費助理的酬金 |
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你們這個編這個酬金的當時的目的是什麼這個部分是協助公費助理是一個非常重要的一個協助委員的職務啦所以委員行使法定職權的時候助理都可以協助他好那如果這個助理的酬金直接由委員來統籌運用那按照陳玉珍委員的提案 |
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那個有沒有規定立委一定要聘公費助理我想這個部分經過討論啦如果說這個法已經三讀通過了那我們會按照這個法的規定來處理那他就寫若干人因為要你們 換你們執行 |
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這個部分應該是比較初步的一個抽象的規定吧那可能還有一個具體的一個如果答案就是做干人啊 沒有改啊如果這是一個法定強制的一個要求的話我想每一個委員的一個聘用的部分我們行政好 那他就是有可能聘零人嗎 |
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那聘領人跟你們送到立法院來進行審議的預算就有衝突了因為當時你們比如說115年 邊是用113個立委每個立委8至14人的公費助理相關的費用總共大概一年8億8千多萬 沒有錯嘛那如果這個立委都不聘助理了 |
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這些錢都按照陳玉珍的版本他都不聘助理了那就跟你們送進來的預算的內容已經完全不一樣了怎麼辦我剛才跟委員報告過了如果說法通過以後有必要的時候我們那個預算的編列當然會做相應的調整好 那他不聘助理你們要撥錢嗎 |
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至於說如果說法通過他的一個前提是呃 聘用若干人的話那這個若干人到底有沒有有沒有包含0人這個部分我想是有一個解釋的空間啦那裡面的原來編的預算的8億8千多萬這個數字是用8到14人估的啊113個立委啊那你現在如果這些立委們的編的助理是0人那這個錢怎麼辦 這個錢你們要照撥嗎我講的是實際執行面這立法院要撥款啊實際也照撥嗎 |
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我想這個部分啦 助理有多少人是由委員來聘任嘛 委員是一個僱主的概念嘛那叫聘零人嘛 那裡面錢也是照撥嘛沒有 如果說他沒有聘的話 我們這邊不會有撥款的這樣一個動作我們現在是按照委員所提的 到底聘了多少人是現在嘛 我說那個立法過了以後啦 陳律師的案子過了以後啦 |
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這些錢就立委統籌運用嘛 不限發給助理費嘛他可以不發助理費啊 不發加班費啊通通拿去施用啊那這個時候你們撥不撥錢啊現在所有助理關心這件事情啊這個部分要看到時候 那個法通過以後法規定的內容來說不是法規定 按照成立這段版本通過的話啦我們現在不是要討論這些事情嗎啊這通過以後 你們是執行單位嘛 |
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對吧 你們是執行單位嘛 那你們會不會撥款啦依法執行會不會撥依法執行你會不會撥啦要看當時候的法律 依法執行嘛就撥嘛 對不對那撥了以後委員都不報助理的這個勞動的這個報酬 都不報因為這統酬進來之後啊 立委有可能就報零人啊那助理都不請了助理都不請了 那立法還能怎麼樣沒有要怎麼樣 是不是 |
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尊重委員的權利就尊重委員權利所以在立法院的立場立法院在副秘書長代表秘書長來你們的立場就尊重委員委員如果不請助理你們請趙波不請助理你們就尊重委員 對吧有兩個要件啦第一個要件當然就是合法啦到時候的法律怎麼規定就怎麼來執行如果就是通過陳立正的法案啦你們請趙波啊 立委不請助理不給這個助理的酬金你們就尊重委員嘛 對不對 |
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沒錯吧 好 來勞動部那如果有請了助理 然後不給基本工資勞動部怎麼做顧問關係成立 那他就是適用勞基法的對象那就不能低於我們規定的最低工資好 那我不併他當公費助理那他這個勞工的權利怎麼保障 |
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不是公費助理其他勞工的雇傭關係也是一樣只要是有雇傭關係是適用勞基法對象都要符合最低工資那勞健保去哪裡保勞保的那個部分有我們勞工保險條例那健保這個部分我就勞保去哪裡保勞保是跟我們的勞工保險局就是如果他是法令規定一定要投保的對象那就是要必須要依法要投保 |
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那現在按照你的了解這案子接下來那這一個雇主會是誰立法院的公費助理的勞僱關係他是成立在立法院的委員跟我們的助理之間委員跟助理之間那雇主的提撥呢依法應該要提撥就是這個立委要提撥立委的錢就是說 |
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撥給我們統籌運用的錢我們要提撥只要是有成立雇用關係所有勞基法上的權益都要符合好來那個副秘書長按照成立真的版本統籌運用之後的這一個雇主提撥也撥給委員嗎要依照勞基法相關的規定來處理所以撥給委員啦還是才是放在你們那裡啊現在是你們駙馬對不對 |
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現在公費助理是你們付嘛那你們現在給立委統籌運用了嘛 對不對我們現在的公費助理是撥給委員那邊去做運用因為僱主是委員啊我說僱主提撥那個錢啊就你們這裡撥出去嘛 對不對就是依法提撥 那細節的部分可以請人事處長來做不是啦 我是說那接下來那筆錢也是撥給委員統籌運用是不是啦如果法律是這樣規定的話 |
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那就委員統籌運用嘛 那委員也不聘助理那統籌運用那些錢要不要還給立法院啊我就沒請助理啊 我怎麼會有雇主提撥勒邏輯上是啦邏輯上是這樣啦當然就是這國家的錢大家要沒有去運用的話當然要回到國庫啊有統籌運用啦 他那個條例有統籌運用不用還啊 |
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國醫院的部分 簽署比較細節的部分啦到時候的那個法律規定的內容是怎麼樣我們才是依法的不是 叫陳醫生的版本啦你是有看版本 我一開始就問 你有看沒有啊那是草案而已 那不是阿伯看的啊那我照那個通過啦 |
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照那個通過你們怎麼執行啦我就不 就立委沒有請助理那僱主提撥的那個錢也會撥給立委嘛 那立委要不要去付是立委決定嘛 那我就不付會怎樣啦僱主有沒有請助理跟他有沒有提撥錢是兩件事不是啊 你錢要撥過來嘛 請的助理才會有提撥錢沒有請助理就不會有提撥錢嘛 你錢是不是要撥給立委嘛統籌運用嘛 對 |
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521.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
538.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
如果說法通過是全部撥給立委他去統籌運用他當然就由委員來統籌運用不是 裡面有含那個僱主的提撥嘛他就要依法提撥啊他就沒有請助理要提撥沒有助理就不用提撥啊沒有請助理 那個錢要不要還啊你們的預算裡頭就是會一次撥過去嘛那就要看那個項目有沒有符合相關的法律規定 |
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547.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
552.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你都會提撥就對了 你都會提撥過委員要怎麼用是委員的事嘛如果按照現在陳立正的版本就是現在這8億8千8億8千127萬9千元今年度假設今年度的這個數字這個錢你們就全部撥給113個立委嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
574.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
586.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
是一個統籌運用的概念假設這樣是一個概念的話那當然就依照這個概念來做處理所以8億多全部撥給113個立委每個立委就是多了779萬多這個數字那這個數字你們撥出去後面立委要怎麼統籌運用立法院管不著 |
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595.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
619.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
法律如果這樣規定我們當然就這樣執行啦所以你們就是一個基本上委員跟助理之間當然就是好啦 所以你們就是一個轉帳的機構就對了我們是行政協助就轉帳嘛就把錢轉給立委立委要怎麼用是立委的事嘛那如果法律規定是統籌運用在你們的角度就是把這個錢撥給立委嘛那後來立委要不要用怎麼用也是他的事嘛好 謝謝好 謝謝王逸川委員副秘書長要注意啦 |