| IVOD_ID |
166330 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166330 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:31:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T11:44:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0241434a66fd61452ff56a78bd28eb1224f1120d908022d4df2f941b50267ca495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
涂權吉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:45 - 11:44:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、勞動部及教育部就「身心障礙者特教融合、就業服務及自立生活現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
(討論事項)
一、繼續審查
(一) 委員范雲等17人、委員何欣純等17人、委員羅廷瑋等16人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員羅美玲等16人及委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第二條、第五十三條及第九十九條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 委員徐富癸等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 委員黃捷等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
(八) 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
(九) 委員柯志恩等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第六十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(十) 委員馬文君等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三十條之一、第五十條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案。
(十一) 委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第五十條之一條文草案」案。
(十二) 委員林楚茵等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案。
(十四) 委員陳俊宇等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
(十五) 委員林楚茵等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
(十六) 委員劉建國等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
(十七) 委員邱若華等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一) 委員林月琴等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員王育敏等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
【第二(四)案，如經復議，則不予審查】
【專題報告及討論事項，綜合詢答】） |
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好 謝謝主席 那請問石部長好 部長我請問一下你知不知道我們衛福部有一個護理友善職場典範計畫你知道這個計畫嗎有有有 在我們那個12項護理改革計畫裡面有那他這個計畫主要是要做什麼 |
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就是在鼓勵那個醫院去提供對於那個護理人員的工作條件還有環境的改善這樣對 然後我們看一下他主要內容也有針對我們培訓新生代護理師也有做頒獎還有查核三班互併比的 |
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比例有沒有達標所以因為我們現在他如果醫院申報他達標有達標的獎勵所以他是負責這些的工作那我們這個護理友善職場典範計畫那這個他這個招標的單位是不是應該要屬於比較專業性的一些單位來承辦這個工作 |
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我請那個副市長來說明一下 |
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對 有考量到這個案子喔就是有專業的部分那也有一些行政的一個協助所以我們在這邊要設計很多友善職場的一個指標認證要找專家開會所以我們是用專業性的一個招標案來處理對 因為我們看他這個工作嘛你上面評選項目有講要專業能力然後相關計畫的承辦經驗那 |
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你應該知道這個是限制性招標對不對那標到的單位是哪一個單位永續基金會台灣永續能源基金會那台灣永續能源基金會那據我們了解他的專業好像是屬於氣候變遷跟環境保護還有永續發展跟永續能源那不知道這個跟我們護理有什麼相關 |
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跟護理的專業沒有直接相關不過他的行政的能力跟永續發展整個企業的一個管理是蠻有專業的一個高度的一個經驗所以我們現在像我們查這個達標有沒有達標是現在是由醫院自己報對不對對 |
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那醫院自己報那有沒有達標是由誰去查核我們有我們未來這個案子裡面會有一個專業審查的團隊他是在幫我們做行政的一個管理的那不是這個不是這個不是這個計劃裡面對在計劃裡面但是他是專管的一個角色專案管理的角色那我們會有團隊裡面就我們專業的人員 |
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所以因為我看這個計畫裡面它就有負責針對三班戶病病是否達標那它這個是否達標然後我們了解好像它並不是主動性去查而是如果有人檢舉有問題或者有異常才會主動去查對不對我們會列入一個例行性的一個查核對 因為我們現在是想了解一下 |
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因為這個單位其實原則上看起來他跟我們這個計畫好像不是感覺並不是他的一個專業的一個單位一個基金會那我們花了995萬然後用限制性招標讓台灣永續能源研究基金會去承辦這個業務那看起來好像並不是我們評選屬於專業能力 |
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這個項目吧我們評選的項目當然就是針對我們需要他委託的一些作為譬如說他可以有辦法去幫我們去找專家然後設計一些我們評選的指標然後做後續的相關的一個管理 |
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而且像針對三班戶變筆這是否達標而且我們這個計畫並不是主動去查而是說如果有人檢舉或者有異常我們才去查那如果說沒有人檢舉沒有異常那等於他就不用去做對不對我們在設計裡面印象我們是有一個routine的查核的機制這個細細的部分我們會再提供 |
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那我覺得這一部分我們是有一點疑議那是不是可以在一週內提供他的執行相關的計畫沒問題他到底他這個基金會到底要執行哪些業務我們列了蠻多項的因為900多萬要做的事情很多因為看起來這限制性招標他要有專業的優勢等等我們是不了解說看起來這跟環境部好像比較有關係吧 |
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因為它這個台灣永續能源基金會限制性招標標到我們護理友善職場典範認證計畫看起來不太相關所以我們想說是不是把我們相關的執行計畫讓我們來瞭解一下好 謝謝委員這個案子我會進一步來深入瞭解然後也會請A5單位再跟委員說明 |
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因為看起來這個995萬的這個費用然後他本身又不用主動去查而是說有人檢舉或有異常他主動去查那我們這個像連這個頒獎怎麼都還去外包去做那這個我們自己衛福部裡面都沒有相關單位能夠處理這些也有一定要花這些錢去給外包的單位去處理嗎 |
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所以這部分請部長針對相關執行計畫讓我們來瞭解一下因為我們有一點疑義啦好 謝謝委員的提醒好 那相關執行計畫再提供給本席好 那還有我們最近因為內政部有做了一些影片還有發給小紅書平台上面說 |
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小紅書內容有違反兒少性剝削防治條例那我想請問一下我們衛福部有接收到相關的這些檢舉的訊息嗎 |
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那為什麼內政部說小紅書裡面有違反這些的條例有違反兒少性剝削防治條例那我們衛福部有介紹這些相關的案子有檢舉有這些相關的案情嗎相關詳細的內容我們再了解一下之後再跟委員說明好了對啊 這個衛福部我們不是 |
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应该针对这部分应该是主管单位嘛那为什么内政部有这些影片那我们也没有收因为我们问过卫福部啦卫福部说也没有收到检证署跟刑事局这些的通报那为什么内政部会我们看他有发一个公文说 |
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小红书平台有违反儿童及少年性剥削防治条例这些事情那我们卫福部主管单位居然都没有讯息为什么内政部会有这个讯息因为可能他们自己先处理的那么我们没有进一步的讯息也有可能我们来细不了解之后整理起来对啊因为我们那时候听到内政部讲那我们也想了解说到底是为什么有哪些 |
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屬於有哪一些案子有違反的兒童性剝削防治條例可是問衛福部衛福部說都沒有收到警政署或刑事局的相關的因為這個條例所涵蓋的樣態蠻多的所以我們再來細節的部分我們來進一步了解 |
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對啊 那你可以幫我了解一下內政部為什麼說有這樣的案子因為你一定有實據你要小紅書平台你說有這些實據那可是衛福部主管單位居然都沒有這些訊息那為什麼內政部會有這些訊息我們來細部的了解一下 |
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對啊 因為我們也想了解到底是哪些案子在小紅書平台發生這些案子那居然主管單位都沒有然後居然是內政部去發布那部長幫我們了解一下我們來了解一下不過也趁這個機會跟委員說明 |
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對於現在在網路上盛行的這些短語音已經有越來越多的研究去證實對兒童的心智發展是有影響那麼特別是它有一些不適當的內容的曝露或者是不適宁 |
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是訊息的傳播會造成這個長期的認知能力發展的障礙還有學習力無法聚焦甚至影響到情緒上的這個問題引發可能有智商等等的所以我們現在也在跟教育部去討論怎麼樣來對於這個青少年兒少的部分呢那麼對於這一些這個短影音的暴露應該要有所限制 |
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對啊 那如果有這樣的情勢那衛福部應該就要主動去處理啊怎麼會是內政部去處理這個案子我們是做通案性的通案性啦 就是說這一類的短影音的影響對啦 我們是希望啦 當然通案性 |
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有發生這些違法的事情我們誤王誤仲但是我們也希望說你也要提出實質的證據出來不能說自己信口開河而且我們衛福部主管單位都沒有說有這樣的事情然後居然是內政部去提出那我們就覺得這很奇怪啊 |
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我們進一步來了解好那請衛福部來掌握一下好那當然有違法我們該處理就處理可是如果沒有我們也不能說自己去憑空猜測嘛是是一定好這個勿往勿縱啦一定是這樣對啊勿往勿縱嘛但是也不能去沒有實質的事情去去憑空去想像 |
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還有那這邊也跟部長提一下因為我們之前一直有提我們部桃新屋分院第二醫療大樓擴建的案子那後來我們有收到你們的回文喔說我們大園觀音新屋屬於中壢次醫療區域那 |
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未達許可辦法第7條鎖定每萬人口50床之現建規定可是這個案子不是一直都說我們現在都計畫在送那可是回這個文怎麼看起來好像沒有要做的意思 |
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有啊 這個意思就是說這裡的醫療資源還可以有增加的空間所以我們現在目前的新屋分院目前的許可床是170床我們再新增130床左右可以達到300床的規模 未來 |
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對啊 因為他回這個文給我們感覺好像這個可能寫的中文不是寫得很好的誤解了啦這個是條文裡面說這個區域還沒有達到這個現建的上限所以我們在計畫上是符合這個可以興建的那個客觀條件 |
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對啊我想說這個案子部長我們也提過很多次我在總諮詢也提過那院長也認為說我們沿海的醫療確實要總檢討希望來增加我們沿海醫療資源有現在正在那個行政院在審查在國防安會有給我們一些意見我們也把這個意見再回覆回去的 |
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對啊 所以我們一直說部桃趕快送計畫希望行政院趕快核定然後趕快經費去編列然後突然你們回這個文給人家看起來好像說什麼未達然後又把我們沿海的然後編列在中壢次醫療區那我們當初就講我們本身人口一直在增加再加上我們 |
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大園跟觀音本來一直以來就是我們北部最大的跟跟我們說明就是說我們現在提出的這個計劃是符合這個上限以下啦所以是應該可以好可以所以部長這個案子還是繼續會做嗎繼續爭取繼續再爭取好拜託那這個我想已經進行到我們已經計劃核定就趕快幫我們編列經費好不要回個文又說好像沒有達標好像又誤解誤解誤解 |
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那個是誤解那個是文字上的誤解好謝謝部長好謝謝委員好謝謝圖全集委員接下來請 |