| IVOD_ID |
166325 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166325 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T12:04:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T12:11:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c05581f45cb4903c399ecb9f93c172c5514f1120d908022d4d4dbbcf117f4815fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:04:25 - 12:11:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「財政收支劃分法」7案：（僅詢答）
(一) 本院委員郭國文等17人、委員賴瑞隆等19人、委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等3案。
(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等26人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員陳玉珍等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例」2案：（僅詢答）
(一)本院委員郭國文等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。
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主席總署副主席長今天是副主席長來嗎請莊部長陳副主席長委員好委員好不好意思我把PPT先上 |
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今天我們財政委員會排審了財政收支化分法老實說對於這個議程我非常的驚訝我為什麼非常的驚訝這件事情一年前就在這邊處理了一年前就在這邊處理了怎麼會lag這麼久一年後在這邊排審一年前在這邊處理財政收支化分法的時候 |
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我聽到的是卓榮泰說現行的版本就是最好的版本這卓榮泰講的現行的版本就是最好的版本那等到現在又排審財政收支劃分法那也沒有關係啊既然排審了就好好來審既然排審就好好來審但我看了就覺得非常的訝異今天 |
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針對委員所提出來的版本邱映穎委員賴瑞榮委員提了兩個版本我過去在看行政機關在處理法案的時候針對法案的審查所提出來的書面報告是針對所提出來的版本表達意見但請教一下主計總署 |
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你們今天的這個報告為什麼沒有針對今天排在議程上面的版本表達意見跟我們報告就是說因為財化法這個主管機關是財政部那我們主計總處負責的是針對補助款配套的部分一樣啊今天他們所提出來的財化法修正條文的版本 |
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也有處理相關的部分啊那我現在看不懂啊行政機關到立法院來基本的尊重展現在做該做的事情上我簡單來講就Do your jobDo your job但我第一次看到一個行政機關我們現在修法的版本我很想看一看說那你們的意見是什麼 |
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結果你們整份沒有這次修法版本的意見啊有有有跟文包我們最後有提到說委員所提跟補助相關的部分我們院版也有一起考量沒有啊 但是今天院版有排審嗎不是 我們有說明說今天院版有排審嗎今天我看不到你們對於委員所提出來的修法版本的意見啊我完全看不到啊 |
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今天召委排ABC三個版本結果你整份報告在討論一個根本不存在的D版本行政機關怎麼會做這種事呢黃委員今天是討論委員版不好意思喔現在是我質詢的時間我跟您說明一下討論委員版的版本我在質詢的是行政官員我沒有要質詢主席啦所以主席不用緊張請坐下來好我做個說明好沒有關係所以我就讓你們好好的表達一下意見 |
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賴瑞榮委員 邱益穎委員提案要把統籌分配款恢復去年修法以前意思是什麼他認為啊我們修法以後給地方政府的統籌分配款太多了不合理所以他們今天提出來的法案 討論的法案是要把它修正為我們去年修正以前基本上他要做的事情就是undo |
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回復到修法前的狀態請問一下針對這兩個提案財政部贊不贊成在這兩個我們的書面報告裡面都有寫對於中央統計規劃的規模我們認為應該要把它擴大要擴大所以賴若龍跟邱盈盈的這兩個提案你們是不是不贊成我們認為應該把它擴大所以這兩個提案你們是不是不贊成 |
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我們認為院版裡面都已經有擴大了對啊我現在問啦現在院版就沒有審嘛所以我問你嘛今天我們如果要討論今天排巡達就是要討論他們提出來的版本嘛所以我請教財政部嘛這兩個版本你贊不贊成我們認為應該要擴大所以你不贊成嘛對我們認為可以擴大OK好來主語記總處贊不贊成 |
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他們認為說現在給地方政府的統籌分配款修法以後給太多啦他要回復到修法前的狀態主席總署贊不贊成我們主要就是因為法主要是財政部我們就配合財政部的意見所以沒有意見嘛那妳今天來幹嘛 |
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我們基本上還是有配套的部分補助款的部分對啊 所以我問你贊不贊成啊我們依法條論法條啊你討論法條的時候提出了修正版本說統籌分配款要修到修法前以前的狀態我很慎重我才問你贊不贊成嘛你總要有立場有態度啊那要不然你今天來練習幹嘛 |
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我們有立場啊 來說我不知道不是 我們有立場啊就是說所以你贊不贊成不是 我們就是希望我們院版可以跟這些提案對嘛 所以我就一直跟你講院版沒有在桌上嘛我現在問你的是被排審的這兩個法案你贊不贊成贊成還不贊成我們沒有所謂贊成或反正我們就希望一起來一起討論啦針對這兩個版本所以主計總組是沒有意見就對了是嗎是不是沒有意見 |
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奇怪你們來這邊練習要討論什麼法案把這個法案的內容先看過應該是基本功課吧我很詫異啦我請教你今天排審的法案主管機關的意見你們不敢表達意見那你們今天來幹嘛 |
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我聽不懂啊 我完全聽不懂啊沒有 沒有 不敢表達我們就是希望跟院板一起討論沒有關係啊 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員我們也希望院板能夠進來討論那這樣子會更好接下來我們請鄭天才委員 |