| IVOD_ID |
166322 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166322 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:51:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T11:57:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c07bd8a9f330b9da7c129e80178479e3604f1120d908022d4df93a7319753701da5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:01 - 11:57:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員許智傑等38 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
三、審查委員葉元之等 18 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。） |
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主席好 麻煩請部長請劉部長委員好部長好 今天大家討論的宗教基本法那當然 |
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內政部的立場是認為說因為憲法已經有相關規範了所以沒有必要再去訂定宗教基本法但本席是認為這樣邏輯不存在因為實際上憲法有規定很多事情後來也都有訂定基本法憲法認為教育很重要我們也有相關教育的基本法 |
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我覺得部長不要先入為主如果說內政部對於宗教基本法相關法條的細節你認為哪裡有問題哪裡有問題我覺得這個可以在審查法案的時候來討論但不要先入為主認為說沒有必要啦就說這個不要立我覺得這個已經就是剝奪了大家討論這事情的空間了所以我還是蠻支持主席今天排 |
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排這個案子 備詢我希望說下次如果還有進一步的時候內政部可以用一個比較開放的態度來討論這個事情畢竟我覺得宗教自由這個是非常上位的人權跟自由的概念那是非常需要受到重視應該要有一個上位的法律啦我都不知道可不可以啦 |
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謝謝委員 委員今天的發言我們都聽到了那就是宗教基本法我們也是就那個每一個條文裡面的宗教基本法有沒有抵觸到我們現在一般的實體法令也提出我們見解那大部分的人希望說行政院提出一個宗教基本法但是在內政部到目前為止整理的意見剛剛我們已經說過很多次就是我們的宗教諮詢委員大概有90% |
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因為這個你很多講我只能問一個態度啦所以聽起來你不反對定宗教基本法嗎我比較傾向說我們是先訂定譬如說宗教團體法而不是基本法因為如果你要講基本法的概念的話可能我們牽涉到的就是要把我覺得這個不想這裡沒有什麼一定要先再怎麼樣後啦我也不覺得一定有什麼前後抵觸啦基本法的位階跟一般法律的位階是不一樣的你可以不然你就可以同時 |
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訂出來大家一起討論也可以啦來看看是不是一定要先訂你講的宗教傳遞法這也是一個方向你要嘛就一起提出來討論啦這也是一個方向就不要用黨的態度啦欸沒有沒有我想OKOK你如果是支持的你如果是支持我覺得大家就往前推進啦就是什麼方法分進合集或 |
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說怎麼樣我覺得OK但是大家就往前推進了然後我也來問一下這個有關於詐欺問題因為我早上的時候看張志仁委員問部長張志仁委員是擔心說因為現在小紅書進一年之後會出現很多VPN |
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或是翻牆的軟體那可能會出現很多假的小紅書或者是假的BPM然後就會讓不熟悉網站的人他可能以為他上了一個假的小紅書或上一個BPM但實際上這個BPM跟這個小紅書可能是一個詐騙網站也就是說你在禁止小紅書的同時你也助長了很多詐欺網站 |
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存在的這樣的一個效果所以他問部長說那這部分怎麼辦那我那時候看部長的回答是說你無法處理這件事情 |
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我有沒有誤會這個我想不是這樣子那你要 因為你那時候說這不是你管理的範圍啊不是 我的意思就是說有一部分啦在這個詐欺犯罪危害條例裡面有一部分是數位經濟的產業主管機關他們在負責的那這個警政署所負責的部分是在抓跟這個詐欺有關的部分那如果有詐欺網站出現的話我們會繼續抓但是會比較不容易抓得到我覺得有點本位主義 為什麼因為這件事情確實是你進小紅書所引發出來的效果 |
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那當然站在政府機關的立場尤其是我們還有打詐中心本來就要把這個可能的效果也有委員提醒你們就要納入去思考說什麼去規範那你說不關內政部的事可是問題是你回答的讓我感覺在推嘛不然你就把它擔下來嘛因為你今天打詐你現在進小紅書出來發言的都是內政部的次長啊 |
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也是歸你管的啊報告那個內政部的次長他是行政院詐欺是沒有錯你當然可以但是我就覺得就本位主義嘛今天就是因為內政部次長報告了靜小胡這件事情所以大家很多委員會來跟你反映嘛因為你們也畢竟也是同個單位雖然他也在行政院打詐中心但你說喔他在打詐中心所以就不關我的事雖然是他的長官可是他是另外一個任務我覺得這樣的態度太官僚了 |
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大家不能接受 所以希望所以希望 不 欸 為什麼你都不對著麥克風講話我 對不起你這樣感覺好像我叫你罰站 你不要這樣子我們 何愛可親 好不好我跟蔣講的話 你就這樣我們來改進 我們的那個沒有 我在跟你對話嘛 我在跟你對話所以我覺得那個事情是要處理的是要處理的 希望說你今天有 |
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聽到委員的建議啊回去就不管是跟馬事員市長講或者是達拉中心或者是警察反映說可能會有這次這樣的狀況第二個就是馬事員市長昨天講的東西我也覺得很奇怪叫超前封鎖他說因為他預判 |
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未來小紅書一定會進入到更多的詐騙因為Meta或什麼其他的平台已經這個詐騙有合作有減少所以未來詐騙者會轉進小紅書我認為他是對網路完全不了解 |
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因為像Meta很多詐騙的網站他是冒用名人啊冒用主播冒用名人騙大家投資什麼之類的這以前大家都講很多次謝金河還生氣啊說為什麼每次反應都不下架後來當時速發部的部長唐鳳說不是不下架是防不勝防下架一個又上來一個下架一個又上來一個那這個是受眾的問題嘛你覺得他們有可能假冒名人跑到小紅書去去騙那些青少年投資嗎所以這個講這個話是完全對 |
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我覺得對網路生態的不了解感覺是硬掰出來的啦這個部長你沒有要替他回答是不是不是 因為那個馬次長他所提到的部分是在他打詐中心的職責齁那如果裡面有這些發言上面引起委員困擾的部分我們來檢討喔喔 所以 都 好好那請你轉達 因為有人蠻會推的欸蛤太極高手 |
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我說你太極拳應該打得不錯我不會太極拳好 那既然這樣 趙委那我就質詢到這邊因為我比較難應對太極高手 好 謝謝好 謝謝燕之吻的質詢那接下來他們請 |