| IVOD_ID |
166319 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166319 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:12:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T11:20:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0daf453c19134c325129e80178479e3604f1120d908022d4d6511449ee88a32a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳琪銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:21 - 11:20:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員許智傑等38 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
三、審查委員葉元之等 18 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。） |
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我們召委 還有我們議會同仁 請我們內政部部長 |
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委員好 博長你好 博長針對今天宗教基本法的草案本席在這有提議兩個面向因為立法院法治局已經對宗教基本法提出了肯定的意見我們還是尊重裡面宗教的平等與宗教的自由 |
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尤其整個的提升才能在國際的規範轉換具體可操作的制度也能提升台灣人權上的國際形象那我在這邊我整個資料來看都還沒看到行政院的版本那現在我本身也知道我們部長這邊你對這個草案的支持是怎樣 |
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具體的方向 請部長來做說明好 謝謝委員大部分的委員大概就是沒有分任何的黨派色彩大家都關心宗教團體應該能夠納入我們的法律的系統裡面來管理 |
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那但是就我們的理解我希望說未來對於宗教團體啦採取的是低度的管理你只要不觸犯其他的法律的話應該都比較好讓宗教可以自由的實現我們在民主社會裡面的這個信仰的自由 |
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那所以這樣的方向的話呢提出來我比較會認為說我們是採取用法律案的方式而不是基本法的方式因為基本法的方式的話第一個我們會認為基本法現在提出來兩個都三個基本法裡面可能對於這個憲法法條三個法條裡面要在統整不是那麼容易那如果是法律的話譬如說宗教團體對於他們現在的這個勸募 |
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或者是接受現金要不要管理還有他們現在所在地尤其是比較多是在山坡地的部分的話要不要符合山坡地的保育的條例那另外一個是因為歷史的嚴格太久了比如說七八十年前那個地方的山坡地的保育並沒有規範說不可以蓋廟 |
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那為什麼現在說它變成是違法那這個部分可能是當時的法律在制定的過程當中沒有那麼嚴謹所以我們要符合新的法律然後不要抵觸到原來舊的歷史上面的一個演變的過程當中那就需要個案來管理 |
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那既然個案來管理的話 就中央跟地方政府都要能夠一起坐下來講 會比較好譬如說地木的變更 山坡地它是不是有比較強固的建築因為我們不是為了管而管 我們是希望它是為了安全而安全我們是這種心情 不是為了要跟你管 也不是為了叫你要落水絕對不是這個意思 但是你要能夠公開跟透明 |
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像現在不管是監督寺廟條例或者是財團法人或是這樣子的其他的法人就是希望你不一定要跟政府來報你的財務報表雖然有些團體尤其是基督教或天主教的教團他們會按照原來的母國裡面的規範他們要跟那個政府來報稅 |
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但是如果你在信徒代表大會裡面你公開你的財務也是另外一種透明的方向那這樣子就慢慢慢慢把它導入正軌但是這個需要時間大廟有大廟可以比較快但是小廟有小廟有困擾所以我們會針對這個部分不希望就一部法令就是把所有的全部管在一起那這樣子一定到後來會比較多的漏洞這個不是我們帶多的問題而是整合上出現相當多的困擾 |
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那當然委員會說整合有困擾也要整合啊那我們會來努力好 謝謝部長因為這針對部長你剛才講的山坡地因為過去有很多市廟都在山坡地裡面建立市廟所以我們過去我推動宗教自然的名義登記不動產的暫行條例針對這一點因為我們到明年六月就到期了那是不是能再向我們國土法展現六年 |
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因為我們現在申請的有2000多件那申請的 |
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那個案件比例還不到五成那未來是不是協助因為很多都是寫表過去都是借名登記那借名登記應該說很多他的三款的問題跟他的董事會有的算委員會造成很多糾紛變成說在這個部分也拜託說補充是不是研究說他的暫省條例是不是可以再延長 |
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跟國土計劃法一樣 延長到六年 |
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報告委員 那個委員也是在召委的時候把上一次的展延 已經展延了但是這兩年來我給委員報告就是說這兩年來提出的家數跟前兩年差很多前兩年提出的家數有800家那現在延長兩年以後只剩下114家所以我們會針對沒有辦法展延的 會去瞭解一下狀況來確定一下下次要不要繼續展延 |
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因為申請的人越來越少就表示說沒辦法沒辦法 大家的國家做展演也沒辦法解決他們的問題 |
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現在是 尤其我們的宗教師這群人要怎麼來協助在寺廟因為有很多時候 年久 已經很久不接轉了我們要怎麼認定 要怎麼做協助 這是最重要的因為後面都是這個問題所以你說會做成過去寺廟的問題 我們政府也已經提供改革 |
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很多這個問題所以說在未來全部改革的我們要怎麼去協助畢竟這是都大家共同的事對 委員 我想你在宗教團體裡面真是尊重但是我們在那個所做的這個統計 |
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沒有議員申請的 269 斤沒有正常運作的 180 斤沒辦法提出證明的 230 斤沒有連繫的 159 斤我相信這幾天所提出的廟宇大家廟宇有位置 |
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大概就是沒辦法可以解決了因為他根本就沒有意願或是不可以做這是一種其他的部分我們就把它排除嘛然後意願的資料不接轉的這要怎麼解決我剛才說的部分就是這樣就是說他如果要繼續提出行情我們來倒三天 |
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這兩宗只剩下一八十四斤過去兩宗是八百斤這表示說我剛才說的這就表示說沒辦法透過戰刑條例解決他的問題有時候他就沒意願 沒聯絡 已經沒有運作了這就把我們消毒掉所以現在如果有需要 我們會再考慮但是如果不需要 |
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我跟地方政府再問清楚,如果不需要,我是認為暫行條例會回去,作用就不夠大了好,拜託我們相關單位大家去了解如果單獨的問題,就像我說的,例如歷史、工業問題,山坡地,或是前法跟後法適用的問題或者是其他相關的行政命令可以幫忙處理的,我們會幫忙處理 |
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因為有些縣市地方政府確實很積極在幫忙但是有些縣市地方政府都放在那裡所以我們會幫忙 會較早所以如果有這種個案請你隨時跟我們通知 我們會來協助剩下半年嘛 我們就盡量來幫忙也要你來負責好 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝吳啓明委員的質詢 |