| IVOD_ID |
166315 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166315 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T10:20:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T10:34:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0e32e657d79d48f2f129e80178479e3604f1120d908022d4d9aab6c45daf424f65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:26 - 10:34:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員許智傑等38 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
三、審查委員葉元之等 18 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長有請部長徐委員好部長 我們有看到內政部的報告一開始就講說我們這個宗教基本法是應該以憲法保障為核心所以是不是因為這樣所以沒有行政院的版本 |
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報告委員其實在委員討論的過程當中大家都知道這個提出宗教基本法的概念在立法院已經橫跨至少五屆以上那表示說大家都沒有共識這個跟那個黨派沒有什麼太大關係那既然沒有共識的話現在貿然推動反而會有更多不同的問題會產生所以當委員說要審查這部分我們也 |
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也沒有辦法去馬上處理因為這是上個禮拜才出來說要處理的部分 對對對我也了解因為我知道您第五屆第九屆第十屆嘛我在第八屆的時候很多人想推但因為沒共識就都都等於好像擱置嘛對對對那所以行政院這個會期也沒有預期會審所以也沒有行政院版本 |
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但是我其实本席的立场是跟你们是一致的我们这个宪法保障为核心但是宪法保障为核心你们这边特别提了这个宪法23条讲说以上各条列举之自由权利除了 |
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妨礙他人自由避免緊急危難維持社會秩序等等所以不得以法律限制之那你們這樣講的同時本席其實也想講其實選舉罷免創制復決也是憲法保障的所列的權利可是我們在選舉罷免我們有選罷法創制復決我們有公投法 |
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那再來 人民有集會結社的自由所以我們有集會遊行法 人民團體法所以我們希望行政單位不要有行政怠惰的這種情況 |
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既然民間或是民眾甚至民意代表這個立法委員代表著民意他要來進行這方面的一個基本法宗教基本法的擬定我還是很希望可以看到有行政院的版本所以如果召委有要進行逐條的時候我們希望行政院也能夠有行政院版本 |
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那再来我想接下来最重要就是说既然我们要来讨论法条那所以首先本席先来确立我们也认为宪法的高度法治的明确性这个很重要所以本席请教部长 |
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在中華民國憲法第13條的架構之下內在的信仰自由與外在的宗教行為請問哪一個是絕對保障那哪一個是可以法律限制的 |
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我想内在的部分比较像是精神跟思想层次那他的保障是写在宪法里面所以他其实抽象性很强那也无法用其他的法律我的问题是我刚讲的内在的信仰自由跟外在的宗教行为哪一个是可以绝对保障的那就是内在对嘛那所以我们外在的宗教行为我们是应该用法律来限制之的所以我们有了这个共识 |
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一定我相信部長也認同我們宗教的自由絕對不能置外於憲法還有法律但是現在我們就討論到這個基本法裡面第一條有關教俗分離是不是應該要寫進去教俗分離嘛 |
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教徒分离的目的就是宗教自由不可置外于宪法跟法律部长你理解吗因为我们没有要进入主条所以我不晓得整一个不是我们没有我们现在就今天就排宗教基本法那所以我就在请教您的立场跟意见嘛所以教徒分离他应该要确立才对吧你们认同呢你们认同吗 |
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因為我不曉得那個委員所說的教塾分離的真正的定義是什麼 |
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你現在講的是就是當然教殊分離你也看不懂其實我看到以後我也是我也是去了解了很久教殊分離我想大概大家的認定應該就是宗教自由不可置外於憲法法律所以要教殊分離你如果教殊沒有寫進去那你其實就是變成好像你宗教你有了基本法以後你就變成 |
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不受法律控制 這樣反而不行啦好 所以這個部長你這個要加把勁再來自主管理 自主管理你不敢寫進去那這個自主管理的部分就是說宗教我們要保障他的自由但是你又不給他自主管理那難道是要由執政黨管理嗎 |
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所以这两点教徒分离跟自主管理一个是宗教不可以置外于所有的宪法法律第二个是你要保障宗教的自由你还是要给他有一个自主的空间好了本席我看部长还在研究没关系那也就是说我们 |
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政府的手给他自主管理就是政府的手不要深进去管神明的事除非神明的事情变成了凡人的危险他危害了公共秩序如果他危害了公共利益甚至善良风俗政府就要管理但是如果没有这些前提之下给他们自主给他们有自主管理的这个 |
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好那再来就是在我们今天讨论的三个版本就是召委有提出来我们的三个版本里面有一个版本一直写在法条里面满满的第二条里面都是适当的场所刚刚这个前一位委员也在质询适当的场所适当的管理者适当的慈善机构 |
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我們很驚訝法律明確性原則可以用適當兩個字放進法條裡嗎那這個適當誰來認定難道是誰執政誰認定嗎所以這一塊本席有提修正動議我們希望適當這兩個字要刪掉我們要用不妨礙公共秩序與善良風俗來取代適當這一塊 |
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无论我们是不是要进入主条还是怎么样我们希望行政单位也要有立场一定要有立场还有再来就是民众有一个忧虑部长这个法 |
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這個有部分的民意代表開始推動但是我們還是要注意社會大眾的疑慮也就是說宗教它不可以是法外之地不可以是法外之地所以有些民眾的疑慮就會擔心宗教基本法會不會變成宗教霸王條款或者絕對不能變成邪教保障法 |
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所以這個我們希望信仰的核心跟世俗的責任要切開所以部長我覺得這個宗教基本法您可能好像都還沒有特別關心沒有特別深入委員這樣講我覺得我只能跟你講說我們請教過很多宗教團體不同教派的宗教團體是大家沒有共識 |
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那既然沒有共識我們大概站在我們的低度管理的立場我們就不輕易去說這個贊成這個不贊成更何況委員您所提的部分是委員或者是立法院所提的版本所以我很難回應說這個好與不好不是 |
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但是你要站在行政單位你要有行政單位的立場我們剛有提過我們認為現在貿然推動宗教基本法可能不是那麼的成熟可是我已經進入細項針對某些立場不是進入基本法是每一種法律案像您剛有提到的就是所謂的教俗分離所以我在講的是宗教基本法的這樣的一個概念那行政單位的立場你要有立場啊 |
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不是嗎我們的立場就是根據我們現在的憲法上面我們用低度的這個管理但是呢盡量來服務但是不要去觸犯到其他的法律為主對啊但是如果你把它寫進去的話你會覺得說是高度管理 |
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而不是自治治理那這個就是最難的地方就是說這條線要畫在哪裡所以我們現在有很多出現需要解決的部分的話就盡量在法律授權範圍內的暫行條例或者是一般的管理辦法或是輔導的方式來處理我覺得這樣子才能夠容納更多對於宗教有不同想法的人 |
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所以您这样从您的回答就表示说有部分的人想要推宗教基本法你们是连宗教基本法整部法你不管这个讨论不讨论你对整个法你是否决的 |
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委員我還是沒有辦法接受你這樣的說法我們不是否決其實我也沒贊成啊我一直跟你表達我的理想你的顧聊都聽得很清楚沒有沒有沒有不是這樣子委員我們不是我們不是這麼斬釘截鐵我們已經講過我們問過所有在宗教界他們是長久以來一輩子都在宗教界服務 |
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我們要尋求最大的公約數現在這個最大的公約數並沒有在宗教基本法這裡面產生的很多人有不同的意見我們都尊重但是既然沒有產生我相信立法院也是一個整體的一個決策的範圍內你不是絕大多數人都有希望通過的一個最大公約數的話這樣通過這樣不是置私欲焚嗎 |
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所以我們沒在說通過不通過我們在講說討論我們也很多法條是開始討論他並可能他就直接保留或者是直接討論一半他並沒有說一定通過或者甚至二讀三讀沒有耶而在討論的時候大家把整個社會的意見包含當然行政單位你們有徵詢 |
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所以我们才要讨论所以我相信很多人听到刚刚本席所讲的我就是针对几个因为谈到宗教基本法大家会有的疑虑包括我刚刚讲不希望宗教基本法变成邪教保障法更不希望宗教基本法变成宗教霸王条款是不是所以这些立场我们都要把持住所以本席在讲的是这一块你这样了解吧 |
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所以那当然还有一些是因为我们看到今天放进来的法条有一些它属于比较模棱两可宗教没有宗教基本法但是如果有宗教基本法也不能变成这个宗教基本法最后这个条文内容都是你政府都用什么适当适当那不就都听你政府来判定这个适当我在跟你谈的是这一个 |
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755.916 |
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784.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
然后再来那个我们好像是第几条第四条也是什么损害他人权利之余这个之余但有一些我们会认为是不是民进党委员的版本是代表你们比较支持的如果没有你刚刚已经讲了这个宗教基本法你从头到尾你就是不推也不赞成就对了那我们连讨论的空间都没有 |
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787.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
810.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
部長你聽懂我的意思嗎要回答是嗎我已經多次表達站在行政機關的立場我們就是以各個宗教團體裡面的代表意見為主在還沒有尋求有共識之前的最大公約數之前現在貿然推動會造成更多其他的問題所以你的意思就是說連討論都不能討論 |
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812.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
834.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我們現在在討論啊所以我在跟你講討論的點你完全沒回應你完全無法回應那沒關係這個我本席就是表達我們站在每一個人大概我們都面對的群眾大家的疑慮我們既然討論到這個議題我們還是要把這個議題 |
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836.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
863.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
如果往前推不管他通不通過往前推我們還是應該要就一些問題來釐清但是部長你的態度我只能說行政怠惰然後呢這個完全對我們立法院在討論這個事你不僅行政怠惰還有你也不深入報告委員這個我無法接受我們其實跟各個部會還有很多委員尤其是宗教委員討論過非常多 |