| IVOD_ID |
166311 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166311 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T09:41:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T09:52:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c00a1e5172f6afa36e129e80178479e3604f1120d908022d4ddff46f77a105961a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:09 - 09:52:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員許智傑等38 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。
三、審查委員葉元之等 18 人擬具「宗教基本法草案」案。） |
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我請部長跟市長請部長還有市長莊委員早部長其實今天大家在討論這個宗教基本法我認為大家都是利益良善但是我覺得以我目前看到這個法案的內容其實我還是真的覺得有一些不足之處不知道部長你的看法 |
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謝謝委員的關心其實我們我們都知道台灣的宗教其實他的環境是非常多元的但是要做到管理確實不容易所以我們的公務系統的人都是基本上以服務為主你只要不要觸犯其他的法律上面應該有的規範的話我們大概都不會去特別去這個高度監理 |
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對啦 我如果就這個內容來看的話部長 會不會有一天 台灣會有很多的異難他就因為宗教的問題 他就不服一物一他可能就替代一或什麼這個選擇會不會有一天有這種情況發生 |
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我當然希望不要太多因為給宗教太多自由他會說他不要服兵役等等這些因為有些宗教他的教義裡面是不能拿槍的啦不能什麼的其實有很多有這種宗教啊那如果宗教基本法我們現在過了沒有詳細去規定會不會有一天台灣真的很多人不用當兵這也是我們會擔心的理由之一啊 |
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對啊 這個我覺得很多事情要思考到啦那再來 如果宗教基本法如果通過了我們如果沒有好好的去規範的話未來啊 這個放生啊 會不會啊 哇 問題更多啊那就觸犯到動保法或是野生動物保護條例 |
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我如果是宗教基本法通過我可能有基本法的保障喔是 所以我們很希望說要非常的那個審慎來研議啦也就是說不要妨害到我們自己國家的重大的政策所以我們會覺得說宗教的自由把它放在憲法的位階來討論會比較好那不要做那個強度帶強的行政管理對啦 因為我覺得啦一個基本法的概念 |
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位階是很高的基本法的位階是很高如果說沒有好好的討論如果說就這樣子通過我很擔心我剛舉的這兩個例子這個不只影響到我們對宗教會有很多人去鑽這個漏洞這個是我擔心的對不對 部長那再來其實台灣 |
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宗教自由我相信现在应该算是蛮自由的了我们的管理也没有到非常的高度了对不对几乎没有但还是有一点我们不能说完全不能违法不能违反法律那宗教的自由已经非常的自由但 |
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我們啊基本法因為太大的題目了所以要好好的討論但現在呢台灣的宗教其實也有一些問題我們可以明確的趕快去解決啊對不對像我們 |
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之前有這個以自然人名義登記的這個我老覺得 這個我們是不是要來討論有沒有需要再延長我不知道部長你的看法是 謝謝 其實也是委員在當召委的時候我們在上上個會期有通過目前我們去跟很多宗教團體接觸的結果他們希望我們繼續輔導 |
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所以很有可能到明年6月的時候呢我們會可能會繼續往下再繼續延長這個時間因為畢竟在輔導的過程當中每個廟宇所出現的狀況是不一樣的那我們要跟地方政府來結合 |
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不只不一樣而且樣態也非常不一樣是的師長我請問一下你除了以自然人這個我們可能要延長之外那廟宇的登記的問題啊還有其他不屬於這些類型的吧 |
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根委報告 其實很多的樣態在寺廟登記 很多早期都是用自然人民益登記包括農地的部分 我就說排除自然人民益 這個還有很多樣態吧 對現在包括說 在農地上 你要土地怎麼變更為寺廟所有 這是很大的一個議題 |
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所以我們現在內政部門部長非常重視所以我們剛好國土計劃法在延長6年那我們會積極來輔導包括地方縣政府來輔導我們重要團體因為這6年在非都市部分或都市計劃趕快做變更包括我們要作為就是在讓他的預算能夠減少他所花的機會減少他的時程可以縮短所以我們會來努力這個部分 |
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除了农地上的还有很多还有很多他有的不一定是农地他有的也可能他的庙人家在那边那后来政府给人家化为什么环保用地化为什么我觉得这个都可以一并解决一次通盘的去了解吧 |
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是包括那你們有沒有什麼具體的想法是我們會通過我們宗教執行委員來聽聽看各個各個地方的意見然後我們包括我們的同仁也有會診的會診相關資料然後我們會積極來討論來研議包括說我們包括國路署的包括地政的問題包括大家研商怎麼去溝通來解決他問題還有一個財稅問題在中央團體他非常關心他的稅然後我們 |
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我們先不用講到財稅啊我現在是跟你講這個用地的問題嘛對不對我覺得其實啊問題也沒這麼複雜啦你就是民國幾年或什麼有一個標準人家之前寺廟就在了對不對還是啊這種的我們要不要去解決你總不能說從明天之後啊然後呢他明知道這裡不可以的那他要去那裡 |
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這個我們就有點說不過去但人家在之前就有了這個我們可以想辦法解決吧我覺得應該要稍微先切割吧你覺得呢各位報告我們現在有一個就是崇化農地的特農區的部分我們之前也有幫他解套但是事實上他申請率還是不高但是我們會繼續來協助這個特農區的在我們這個土地法實施之前的 |
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我知道啦 你都沒有take到我的重點你一直在跟我講農地我都已經跟你講到不只農地了那你還一直在講農地你都沒有回答我的問題啊我請我們等下同仁再補充啦那個委員所講的部分我了解就是說他本來已經在那邊那後來不管是都市或非都才把他化成其他宗教不能夠使用的用地那這個有時間先後所以每個個案我們會去會刊 |
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會看出來確實像委員所提的這個狀況的話我們就想辦法解決那我們的同仁他們有處理過我先讓同仁跟好 你簡單的說一下各位委員報告這裡是國土署那現在如果是在非都市土地上面如果是在各縣市第一次實施編定管制之前就已經存在的寺廟是可以由寺廟檢據這個管制前的合法的證明文件向各縣政府去申請 |
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跟正邊定為建築用地那現在是有這樣子的機制可以來做處理我知道 但有一件事情我們都忽略了地方政府也忽略了很多寺廟的負責人其實都蠻資深的年紀都蠻大的了 |
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我跟你講 你政府要他去申請 他根本不知道啊他也不懂啊 問題是出在這裡啊那我們就是喔 在辦公室裡面這樣看都忘了這些人 他其實不懂這些他每天在聽收音機的而已 他也沒有看報紙然後政府也 因為他也沒有登記也沒有寄通知單給他 |
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現在有很多的問題是這一種的那我覺得身為主管機關如果像這種我們應該要想辦法去解決才對啊那個委員我非常了解你現在講的部分我非常了解一百年兩百年的老廟的部分或者是說它的住址已經不在了我跟你說我們可以這樣子第一個會刊很重要但在會刊的過程當中我們的行政單位可以去取取得當時的航照或空照圖 |
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來確定 讓做這樣的鑑定鑑定出來確實是這個樣子的話我們就會簽辦這個公文 而不是說你一定要來申請 我們沒有 沒那麼細心啦我們還是非常靈活會處理這個部分 所以我說我們的中理師的相關單位是以服務為主 而不是以管理為主因為這個後面人家要我剛說有一個重點就是他 |
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之前連來申請登記什麼他都不知道要這種的非常多尤其是在那個非六都以外的更多我覺得這種的我們應該要先想辦法幫他解決甚至我都覺得說他如果是這樣其實只要這個廟 |
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他有給我們竊決如果你這塊地你永遠是用寺廟使用的我們都可以幫他解決那如果以後你要賣掉你要什麼的你這塊地啊我們就會想辦法去限制他我覺得可以有一套的做法好那個謝謝委員的指教委員非常了解這個狀況我們會跟地方政府來找到一個大家都可以一起來合作的方案好嗎好謝謝 |
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謝謝張宏祿委員的發言 接下來我們請 |