| IVOD_ID |
166305 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166305 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:57:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T12:04:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0d96d6f9c50a749619ecb9f93c172c5514f1120d908022d4d0f7628e6d07117175ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:56 - 12:04:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「財政收支劃分法」7案：（僅詢答）
(一) 本院委員郭國文等17人、委員賴瑞隆等19人、委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等3案。
(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等26人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員陳玉珍等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例」2案：（僅詢答）
(一)本院委員郭國文等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下莊部長我們請莊部長委員好 |
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部長好部長我想我們今天在討論這個財政收支劃分法我不曉得您內心對於這個法在過去短短的一年之內經歷過了兩次的修法那現在行政院提出的版本又在上個禮拜被藍白聯手把它復印掉其實我內心是覺得非常的可悲啊 |
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到底國家的財政要被在野黨的藍白兩黨的委員毀壞到什麼樣的程度過去兩度修的法荒腔走板 |
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那大家一直會講這個以前的才化法對中南部的縣市是極度的不公平所以行政院應該要提出版本出來甚至呢這個上一次的這個召委坐在這個台上的時候邀請的縣市首長來包括我們高雄市的陳其邁市長親自到了現場一句話都沒讓他講直接就把會議結束掉 |
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部長我想要問齁他們一直說國民黨的前的這個政策會智庫執行長啊柯之恩委員一直說這個民進黨不負責任因為行政院不提版本好現在行政院提了版本了他又說行政院這個版本的指標呢更細緻更值得採用這是他說的但是 |
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他卻寧可當副坤啟的投票機器他寧可讓程旭委員會持續的封殺甚至在上個禮拜的復議案還是投下了反對票 |
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部長我想請教到底行政院這一個版本您認為該不該拿出來讓大家好好的檢視好好的討論這個對於台灣整體的每一個縣市的財政規劃有什麼更優勢的地方部長我讓您幾分鐘的時間讓您說明一下好不好 |
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謝謝委員我想我們一直在說財化法的修正涉及到各級政府之間財源的重新分配它一定要經過審慎的規劃而且要充分的討論所以院版的財化法經過多次的跟地方政府討論而且參著專家學者的意見我們提出這樣的一個修法版本那這個修法版本其實它最重要的一個目標是要讓我們的國民生活品質更均衡 |
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也就是說地方自治事項地方要辦的事項政府會我們透過中央統籌分配稅款給這個地方政府去做第一個讓他的財政自主可以更提升而且地方自治事項可以做得更透實那這樣子在國民的生活品質更平均然後第二個就是說我們城鄉之間的分配要更公平委員您來自南部您很清楚我們南部第一個 |
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204.226 |
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215.493 |
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它的工廠在那邊營業額可能都在北部然後因為營業額的比例在那麼高所以讓台北市貨配的金額超過了它去年一整年的金額就這個部分高雄的土地是台北的十倍大所有的污染都在南部 |
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225.883 |
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247.515 |
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結果呢 你們的這個營業 營利事業 營收總額的配比台北分到最多 理由是什麼不是台北特別會招商啊 不是台北特別會做生意啊是企業總部都設在台北 污染都在高雄中油 台電 中鋼 污染都在高雄 |
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248.755 |
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265.645 |
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該不該修 該不該修正當然應該修正嘛土地面積是高雄的土地面積是台北的10倍我們要負擔的人口比重土地比重包括基礎建設的比重都比台北來的大 |
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266.973 |
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290.993 |
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都比台北要多很多這個比重該不該調整環境負擔的指數該不該把它納入未來的財化法裡頭我認為是必須我看到現在行政院的版本也納進去了所以如果是這樣我不懂為什麼在野黨不讓這個版本進入委員會來討論 |
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293.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
306.753 |
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不讓我們討論不讓大家了解到底行政院應該要怎麼樣負責任的重新規劃整個財政授之劃分法為什麼不讓我們討論 |
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308.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
314.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
謝謝委員我覺得院版的才化法在分配指標裡面是更為均衡您剛剛所提到的沒有錯我們把工業就業人口也放進來同時對中高污染的部分給予加成這個就是考慮到這個一個均衡的問題還有農林榆木的就業人口跟農林榆木的產值也都放進來我們不能只照顧商業發展的城市我們對於我們 |
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334.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
352.368 |
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農村鄉村他對於國家糧食的貢獻應該要給予回饋跟當地的民眾要給予照顧這就是我們城鄉分配更均衡我很欣慰聽到您的這一番話主席已經站起來我就不耽誤大家的時間不過我還是希望要在這裡誠懇的呼籲藍白的委員怕什麼 |
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353.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
369.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
不要怕嘛大家各自有主張就把各自的版本放到立法院來好好的討論而不是用多數的暴力想要表決想要強度關山想要強姦政府我覺得這是不負責任的做法謝謝部長好 謝謝邱委員接下來我們請黃國昌委員 |