| IVOD_ID |
166300 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166300 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:23:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T11:40:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c05b9c8c047fd0a7f3ed0cecc406237e9619f30473e88220b3ad4d19330d4f164e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:00 - 11:40:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠、次長王時思與轄下首長及國家通訊傳播委員會、財團法人公共電視文化事業基金會、財團法人中央通訊社、財團法人中央廣播電臺、客家電視台、臺語台、中華電視公司等代表列席就「公廣集團暨公視基金、央社、央廣之營運管理、預算績效，與新媒體策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【12月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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葉元芝委員質詢李浩先 麻煩先請那個部長好 有請李部長 |
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葉委員你好部長你好我先來問一下大家關心的一個剛剛發生的事情就是現在因為那個韓國他的電子路徑卡把台灣的國民旁邊弄了一個揣拿對不對所以外交部很生氣執政黨的立委說一定要讓他付出代價 |
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然後後來我們外交部也很嗆就是說看了台韓的貿易有巨額的逆差顯示兩國關係有不對等之處與待威脅讓人家感覺是不是要透過這個貿易的行為就商業的交流給他一點教訓付出代價那以文化的角度來講的話當然韓劇還有這個韓團對於這個台灣人對於這個韓劇韓團的支出一定是大於我們台劇台團 |
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吸收到外匯所以這個部分也有如果按照外交部的看法的話也有不對等之處所以大家很擔心說文化部會不會配合外交部做出一些抵制韓團跟韓劇的作為部長你自己的看法怎麼樣 |
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你會覺得文化歸文化不要扯到政治嗎不是 我想文化部不是喔不是 文化部就會照文化部原來的政策往下走我不會一定要配合誰你不會配合文化部但是我跟你報告一件事情是一個好消息就是這一兩年來我們跟韓國之間的那個隱居的合制 |
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的情况越来越多然后韩国对于台湾的文化也越来越感兴趣我想你大概听过一个韩国人对台湾感兴这四个字他们对台湾感兴这四个字非常有兴趣所以我们今天才刚刚办过一个首尔书展是以台湾好OK就是 |
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可以就是反正我們現在台韓的交流就繼續往前走然後這個我們也希望說我們賺到那個韓國的有關於韓團就是我們的台劇我們的台團也可以賺到外匯但是現在雖然說可能他們賺比較多一點有不對等關係但文化部不會配合外交部做出抵制的行為這樣子講那個歌迷或者是一些韓迷就放心了對不對 |
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我一向是比較積極一點 希望台灣自己的東西這另外一回事啦 跟我問的沒關啦至少就是他們如果要抵制的話 跟文化部沒有關係我們不會抵制韓團 也不會抵制韓劇啦韓流都不會抵制啦 政治歸政治 文化歸文化啦我們在合作拍片啦反正那個部長並沒有配合他們的戰狼外交啦沒有說要他們付出代價啦 你沒有嘛 |
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你這樣講那個我們台灣很多那個喜歡韓劇韓團的就放心了啦這是先確定一下接下來來問一下就是公廣集團的問題先問先講台灣Plus因為台灣Plus一直是大家非常關心的一個媒體為什麼因為花很多錢過去呢說花了58億編了58億啦但後來花多久可能有點出入啦但是接下來4年接下來又要再花40億等於是8年要花百億啊 |
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這麼大的金額效果怎麼樣我覺得這個大家一定要來檢討那現在是連監察院都看不下去監察院都認為效果不彰其中有幾件事情我看了我自己是覺得非常離譜第一個新聞的部分這個監察院的調查顯示說裡面所有的新聞決策是在少數主管的身上那最重要的一位呢他居然不熟悉中文也沒來過台灣他是住在紐西蘭 |
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然後他是根據三位關鍵主管跟他匯報新聞的選題那這三位裡面有兩位沒有採訪經驗然後其中有一位政治立場鮮明我問一下部長部長我們當初要成立TownPlus是說要把台灣的聲音行銷到全世界要講台灣的故事要做類似英國BBC跟日本HK這麼重大的台灣的這樣的一個重要媒體結果我們的新聞編採最主要的決策者他是一個 |
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不懂中文那這個難道沒有什麼文化的落差嗎然後再來就是剛剛講那三個主管沒有三個其中兩個沒有編採經驗但他負責新聞的選題耶那其中還有一個政治立場先民請問一下他的政治立場是什麼 |
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那個唯一有採訪經驗的那個人政治立場是什麼偏藍偏綠我不知道欸我不知道偏藍偏綠監察院的報告你都你文化部有補助台灣plus錢耶然後當監察院做出這樣的報告出來文化部長說我不知道那監察院就解他的啊關我文化部什麼事不是不是不是那個部長今天台灣plus他是歸你管的 |
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那今天連監察院都做我不是 不是歸我管那預算是你補助的啊我編預算給他對啊 你給他錢你就有督導的責任啊文化部跟所有公共媒體都有一個關係就是我不能參與他的媒體決策那這樣子 你不能參與他的決策我負責編預算啊你還是要監督啊我監督在你還是要監督啊怎麼可能連監察院都這樣子寫然後你說你不知道那國人怎麼會相信我不能干預他主編是誰是不是外國人 是不是 |
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你至少了解一下嘛文化部落是這種態度難怪台灣plus一直被檢討了嘛因為黨政軍退出媒體是一個大家花很多力氣才達成的我是說監督那你如果這樣講的話監察院不用去監督啦監察院有監察院的角色你也有責任啦你現在推而已啦你也有責任啦希望你擔這個責任那是不是請執行長說明一下 |
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各位委員報告那個監察院所調查的當然是在前一陣子的資料不過我們在今年六月開始您剛所提的這種外籍的編輯人員我們都做過調整現在是由本國籍的人來擔任總編輯還有相關的主管是因為監察院報告出來之後才改的嗎不是 我們本來就有因為那之前怎麼這麼荒謬所以他講的是事實就對了 |
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我們先前需要借助國外的這個編輯的經驗不是啦你成立的目的是向全世界講台灣聲音欸結果你找了一個國外的人來向全世界講台灣聲音這種邏輯你有辦法說服大家嗎有一半都是本國籍的同仁在沒有沒有沒有你是說後來才改的嘛那他講的三位主管兩位沒有採訪經驗是不是事實他是合稿編輯不是採訪主管那一樣嘛他也要有新聞的經驗他有沒有嘛有沒有 |
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有有有他有新聞經驗他的新聞工作經驗是什麼他在別的媒體在國外的媒體有不同的代表那有一個他說有政治立場他是藍還綠的我不曉得監委所指的我天啊今天監察院報告出來媒體都公佈了然後結果你身為執行長你說你不曉得因為我沒有看過代表你們就是在擺爛嘛我覺得我不能接受你是執行長欸 |
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你自己講 監察院報告都出來 新聞都報了結果問你執行長 一問三不知然後你每一年要跟納稅人拿那麼多錢 |
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把錢交在你的手上結果你做出這個樣子然後連檢討也沒有就推一句不知道這大家可以接受嗎我覺得你的回答你的回答全部人都在看那接下來你又要40億那請問一下他的政治立場是什麼他的政治立場是什麼怎麼會不清楚好 再來我們來看效果當時啊 |
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那個台灣Plus講是主要的受眾是歐美國家嘛監察院說現在觀看數據67.6集中在亞洲只有20.8是在美洲那這樣的方向是你們要的方向嗎 |
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監察院資料可能不是最新因為這個滾動式的每年在增加我們現在國外的百分之四十四 九十四的觀眾都是來自於海外其中美國跟亞洲是占各半我問他當然是來自於海外嘛我現在講的是他當時的數據亞洲是六十七 接近七成嘛每週二十嘛這數據對還錯 |
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大概一年多前是這年好嘛 那現在最新是什麼現在最新大概海外的94%不是海外 美國跟亞洲美國跟亞洲都是海外對執行長 你應該了解我們的我知道我知道每週是多少每週這個數據大概我可以更新因為到現在大概50左右每週是多少50左右每週有50將近50每週將近50了所以這一年你們現在每週50 |
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你有資料嗎 為什麼還要次長提醒你你不是執行長嗎你是執行長結果是文化部次長提醒你然後剛剛文化部部長又說他管不了TownPlus所以文化部對於TownPlus到底有沒有監督責任執行長不知道是由文化部次長來提供然後部長說管不了TownPlus這到底什麼機制啊TownPlus好奇怪的單位喔 |
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所以美洲是多少所以美國是多少美國百分之四十五那亞洲現在多少亞洲的話我們有分像比方不用再分了就亞洲就好 多少 |
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亞洲其實在亞洲地區大概是百分之將近25左右現在剩下25所以最近有逆轉因為我不曉得因為我感覺你好像很不熟悉你的業務那我是不曉得說這個數據是真的還假的因為剛剛人家丟給你的你沒有掌握我提醒一件事情每週50還是不夠你看一下如果這個媒體是要對外講台灣的聲音你有沒有看到賴清德總統 |
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他投書都投出什麼媒體美國媒體投出的多吧連我們軍購1.25兆預算第一時間都投出美國媒體對於美國人講所以他多重視那個市場賴總統三不五時上美國右派的podcast的主持人的接受他的訪問就是要他要這麼多媒體去訴說我們台灣的聲音結果我們台灣自己成立的媒體 |
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說要對全世界講台灣聲音結果以前每週只有20%現在最新的數據是15%我真的覺得這個媒體很奇怪非常奇怪然後再來你看有一個你們有好多節目嘛比如說什麼Connected是不是 這個節目是你要不要去看一下它的成效 |
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你成立這個頻道是要幹嘛它有在電視頻道還有在YouTube還有在臉書你用這個頻道講了什麼台灣的故事嗎它是在介紹台灣的一些各種產業或者是文化或者是各種多種議題透過訪談的方式邀集各位各種國際的訪客或者是裡面非常多跟什麼 |
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很多什麼都是東南亞的東西啊您看到的其實有很多亞太地區的議題所以你覺得說花那麼多的錢用這個頻道效果很好這只是其中之一啦但是就花了很多錢嘛你們就開了很多節目嘛然後其實都花了非常多的錢嘛訂閱數也低 然後點閱率不高訂閱數目前150萬的國際觀眾訂閱不是 這一個頻道啦 |
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這個頻道他目前是在你們就是開了很多不同頻道然後弄了很多team花了很多錢嘛那你一個頻道要去檢驗你不是每次回答問題都用一個總的數字嘛那這樣大家怎麼檢驗個別的頻道就像剛剛我問我問美國亞洲你就給我扯海外美國跟亞洲都是海外啊不要用這種方式在呼嚨啦 |
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我覺得你們要接下來又要審預算了希望說你們可以提出具體的成效因為去年TimePlus在委員會討論就很久當時大家其實也說好那大概一年的機會可是看不出來嘛然後另外我請教一下你們現在要搬家是不是最後一下要搬家嘛你一年的租金租金辦公室的預算是編兩千萬嘛 |
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是在松江路這個位置 還有華市的都有我又跟你調資料啦 我也幫你算過了啦因為松江路一個月是一百一十五萬然後華市一個月是三十三萬所以兩個加起來大概一年租金現在是一千七百八十八萬 沒錯吧那你們現在說要搬到華市 |
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松江街這個要搬到華市因為松江路租期到115年1月沒問題 這不用解釋 我說確定嘛我就確定那個訊息嘛 對不對好 那華市一個月租金增加多少現在還沒有確實估算出來 還在等沒有估算出來還沒有正式的報價 我們還在估算還沒有報價 好 那我就問一個問題如果還沒有報價 我們看後面你們董事會的討論 |
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你們有一個董事說搬遷費用要五千六百萬光搬遷就要五千六百萬可是呢胡董事長袁輝講說雖然這個 |
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五年期估算整體租金會節省417萬那請問一下台灣PLUS執行長剛剛說華氏的租金都還沒估算出來可是董事長就可以直接講說租金五年會省417萬請問沒有報價怎麼來的節省這是我們從現有的價格去推估好 那現有價格你們估多少有推估 華氏增加多少就是推估這個樓層因為現在胡元輝董事長是根據華氏出租多少估的數字嗎 多少 |
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同樣面積轉換過去以後多少嘛大概因為現在還需要不不 副總市長你今天可以估了出來租金有節省代表說你有數字嘛你們估搬到華氏華氏是一個月租給你們多少 |
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一個月不是 第一個我們是12月在董事會才要做最後的確認這是第一因為主席站起來不要讓主席站太久我的問題很簡單因為你估得出來節省417萬你就是會有數字數字是多少 |
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這個是講那個松江路在那個辦公室租的話整體租金五年期因為有優惠所以節省租金417萬不是相對於華氏 |
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那華氏現在數字還沒有出來因為12月決定以後才有好那我問一個狀況華氏數字還沒有出來那也有可能因為你松江街一個月是115我先講我是支持你們搬到華氏為什麼因為華氏虧損所以既然你time plus你要付租金出去那與其要付不如付給華氏因為是公廣節我支持但是你還是你也是要去算那個成本效益因為你搬遷費這五千六百萬 |
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你會不會到時候你節省了租金你節省租金結果搬遷費就整個吃掉了會不會出現這個狀況是 謝謝委員我跟委員很簡單報告這個搬遷費是台灣plus的初步估算那這位廖董事他是依據這個估算數字在討論這個問題所以這個不是確定的數字因為第一空間大小所以不見得是五千六百萬 |
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當然我們希望他就跟委員的意思一樣如果移到華氏有這個好處就是他可以把華氏的租金收入來增加但這最後會多少取決於兩個部分第一個部分是使用的空間第二個是有關租金的計算方式但無論如何這個第一個 |
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因為我們辦公室也調資料啦都一直不給啦那希望以後調資料可以給好不好可以給那大家就會減少在這邊討論的時間可以根據一個很明確的數字來討論所以不要隱瞞啦因為這麼多錢大家會想要知道怎麼運用尤其台灣Plus剛剛你講成效我覺得大家都一直打折扣啦好不好這個部分最新的資料出來請你給所有教育文化委員會大家都想要知道 |
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好不好然後第二個就是我是不知道因為剛剛很多委員在問說公司的董事現在說已經確定名單了嘛對不對那個部長已經名單你確定了嘛對不對現在只是什麼時候要送的問題嘛就是在等那個等那個確定什麼時候審查對已經名單已經有只是不能公佈嘛因為你要等確認公佈這我們都理解但是已經有了嘛已經不像你以前講的剩一兩位還沒答應剩一位 |
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不是你不是都有了還剩一位現在都OK了嘛那盡快送為什麼因為我們都其實很多人在講啦因為公事董事一直沒確認所以包括整個公事團隊大家都有點那種帶退弟兄心態啦因為都不確定嘛新董事上任搞不好很多高階主管都要離開了嘛 |
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所以快一點確認可以讓公司趕快上軌道我們會盡快配合審議盡快公佈給大家對 然後你快一點因為現在的很多董事可能會覺得接下來我也不知道要不要留任像重大的經費的一些決議像我們剛剛講那都是你說之前的董事搞不好也不知道狀況因為都會青黃不接嘛你趕快這些問題會解決很多啦所以希望部長 |
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不要再拖了啦其實我對 你接下來就是不是好了 因為他站久了我我我我好 你你講希望今年年底以前審議會趕快開然後全部通過OK因為如果我送出來又重演過去的話一千天耶 |
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會要一千天再來一次的話你說你過去遇到的狀況不會再發生嗎那就是你拖比較久好不好別人拖的絕對不會你拖的久我拖的不算久如果他一千天的話比我久多了那我們都還沒發生你就是一千天我當然怕發生對啊你趕快啦現在就應該可以慢慢結束了好 謝謝謝謝葉元之委員 |