| IVOD_ID |
166293 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166293 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T11:01:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T11:13:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0912ad7a17ed5ac839ecb9f93c172c55119f30473e88220b3ab3cf16057514ebe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:50 - 11:13:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「財政收支劃分法」7案：（僅詢答）
(一) 本院委員郭國文等17人、委員賴瑞隆等19人、委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等3案。
(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等26人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員陳玉珍等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例」2案：（僅詢答）
(一)本院委員郭國文等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席我們請莊部長還有阮次長請部長跟次長委員好部長好 次長好因為本席這次針對這個國安基金有提案不過在問這個之前我先問一下我們普發現金到現在從11月12號開始到現在已經將近一個月了不曉得現在普發現金的情況是怎麼樣 |
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五發現金現在非常的順利那目前已經有超過2000萬的人已經領了超過2000萬喔對 已經超過2000萬的民眾已經領了大概我們昨天算到大概超過85%的民眾已經領了因為我們這裡面有那領的方式咧 |
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領的方式裡面第一個透過網路登記入帳的有42.55%是最高那其次就是ATM領的就是24.16%比例是這麼高那另外我們有直接入帳也就是它有 |
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固定领政府津贴的部分有22.75%就是说他不需要去做任何事我们就直接划入了他的账号大概有458万那到邮局领县的是10.28%是207万的民众已经领了所以总共已经超过2000万的民众已经领了大概数字多少2000万多少 |
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2000萬你說實際的數字是多少2012萬我們算到昨天下午是2012萬那佔預估的人口我們預估是2356萬4696人大概佔了85%以上的人所以一個月就是大概有85%的人有領到這1萬塊了一個月了因為我記得是11月12號到現在將近一個月了 |
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那速度還滿快的目前執行起來有什麼問題嗎 |
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最近起來沒有什麼大問題那我就來問這個國安基金那這個國安基金本席的提案就是說本來現在是五千億那實際上就是銀行是兩千億四大基金是三千億那所以呢我們提案是增加這個到一兆其中是把這個銀行借款的部分從兩千億增加到七千億就增加五千億那我們四大基金的地方我們就不去動不去處理了 |
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主要就是說一些客觀數字來看剛剛其實次長部長也都有提到說我們現在的上市櫃公司的市值已經97兆了跟89年成立的時候那時候是才9.2兆已經成長了10.5倍而且我們的外資也不斷的持股的比例也不斷的增加然後就算從今年的4月9號 |
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國安基金進場後盤到現在11月底外資累計賣超達到3940億其實已經遠超過我們這個國安基金的2000億了那所以這個雖然現在只有我原版就是我跟郭國文委員的版本那我再問一下這個次長這個您是執行秘書那對於這個國安基金增加從這個5000億增加到1兆那我們這個 |
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市長您的看法我剛才有報告過這一個案子雖然行政院沒有提版本但是由委員還有另外郭委員來提的但是這一次行政院有表達非常清楚的立場 |
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針對這個案子我們基本上是贊成的贊成 你們立場就是贊成嘛好 支持好 那所以其實提案這個理由這個客觀數據都寫得很清楚那絕對不是這個聞言聳聽說什麼兩岸戰爭了所以我們才要把這一個國安基金把它的這個金額可以提高因為其實 因為剛剛委員有在問就是說你有兩千億夠用啊但是你是省著用 |
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因為你有兩千億而已嘛是 你只有兩千億所以委員謝謝你讓我有機會說明我們因為在操作的時候因為我們是考慮到那個上限所以我們都會省著用我看你都很省著用啊你等於是用很少的這些錢來做點火嘛 對不對對對 點火 |
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因為不知道後面還有沒有更大的攻盤的現象所以我們在用的時候前面通膽都會比較省但是這樣做法就會影響到我們護盤的功能一定會影響到功能所以說現在把你的上限提高其實就是讓你的子彈增加因為未來會面臨到什麼樣的情況其實不知道 |
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但是至少讓國人知道說我們國安基金有增加了表示說是政府對於這個股市是非常重視的因為股市會影響到所謂的經濟和一般的民心所以我是認為應該是增加到一兆這個妥當 |
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那財政部包含執行秘書 市長你也認為說現在行政院的態度就是表示支持就對了是另外我跟委員包括剛才委員提到一個很重要的問題有些委員有說我們這次提的時候是不是有特殊的實際考量 |
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那我是覺得一碼歸一碼就沒有 因為不是願板 是我委員提的就是兩件事情跟這個所謂的明年的所謂的什麼特別預算其實是完全是兩件事情我覺得沒有啦 因為其實很單純如果今天是有願板那願板就是你提出來你可能你有考量那現在很單純就是我跟郭國維兩個的版本那我當招委我就這時候排出來 |
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沒有什麼樣的一個動機也不是說什麼這個兩岸有什麼樣的問題沒有 我們是希望說讓政府的子彈多一點讓投資人多一些信心就這樣而已不過我再請教一下啦我們現在的這一個這一次的護盤的時間是從4月9號開始 |
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到現在11月了嘛 對不對還在 國外經濟還在所以還在的主要理由是不是因為關稅都還沒有確定對 因為當時進場的時候就是在剛好台美對等關稅對等關稅宣布以後那時候就是我們不是大跌了2000多點嘛 |
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然後第二天也是一樣大跌嘛所以那時候經過委員會議決議就要進場因為這個當時進場的原因還沒有消失因為台美的關稅的談判還沒有簽協議所以我們不知道結果到底怎麼樣 |
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那外界的反應會怎麼樣如果反應如果是很大家非常的可以接受的話我們會建議就是國安基金管理委員會會開會那麼來檢討退場的事宜好那請問一下那我們是跟這個台灣銀行來借款嗎是不是目前是這樣那是有借才要付利息沒有借要不要付利息要要沒有借要付利息那我們一年利息現在是付多少 |
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對不起 利息 沒有借也要付利息啊 |
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沒有借沒有啊我剛有聽委員問說沒有借的話一年要付七十幾億利息來來你講清楚沒借也要付利息嗎沒有借當然不付嘛對啊那為什麼他就用五千億來跟你算一年要付七十幾億的利息你講清楚但是他不讓我講所以沒有借當然就沒有付利息的問題我們現在就說借多少那就按照多少去算利息 |
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469.953 |
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489.146 |
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對啊 應該是借多少 然後利息算多少不可能說沒有借 而且這個兩千億是台灣銀行就是預計跟銀行借三千億是這個四大基金啊所以也不可能用五千億去算啊對啊 我剛剛看你說你是好像沒有時間回答啦所以我在這個地方讓你問清楚所以不可能說你有七十幾億的利息啊 |
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490.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
515.276 |
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不可能嘛對 沒錯好那我再請教一下因為剛好那次常請回我請教部長因為其實上次我在質詢的時候有提到說因為我們現在普發現金就是有很多的一個方法可以領那時候我有提到說一個國民的單一賬戶的制度就是說小孩出生我們就給他一個賬戶然後如果政府有類似這一種 |
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517.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
530.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
补贴补助的话都可以汇到这个账户来所以也防止诈骗那也简单清楚然后我刚好看到说美国川普总统他有一个川普的账户 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
532.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
553.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個川普賬戶他是說只要小孩子一出生然後政府當然他的任期之內政府會給予這一個一千美金這個種子基金然後除了政府給的之外你家庭成員也可以提撥然後雇主也可以提撥那這樣的方式這筆錢你都不能動用你必須要滿18歲的時候你才可以作為你的購房教育創業 |
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562.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
582.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這些用途才可以使用它基本上是給小孩的第一桶金那也鼓勵企業來投資那也鼓勵父母來投資孩子的未來然後這個就是等於是用複利的一個效果讓孩子們這一出生到18歲之後可以累積他的第一桶金那我請問一下 這個部長 |
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585.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
605.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你覺得我們台灣要不要有類似的這一種我們給小孩子零歲出生我們就給他的贈物我們給他第一桶金然後藉由政府 家庭 企業一起來讓我們的孩子下一代在18歲之後至少他有第一桶金可以使用家長的負擔也不會那麼重 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
607.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
628.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝委員 我想委員這樣的一個建議事實上也因應了現在少子女化的一個情況然後有一個兒少 那我們這邊兒少是有一個單一帳戶但並不是全部 那是一個志願性的 並不是強制他不是有條件限制嗎我記得他有條件限制喔 好像是中低收入戶 |
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630.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
655.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
沒有沒有限制我想這個部分因為涉及到內政部跟教育部我們想這個部分我們會再來聯繫到進一步再跟委員做說明我是希望說剛好有這一個川普賬戶可以作為參考你剛才講那個我記得這個內政部我以前記得就是說有但是那個好像有這個限制所以那個申請的那個賬戶的人家庭數也很少 |
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655.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
669.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
跟這個普遍的每一個小孩子他出生就有一個帳戶政府投資 企業投資那個完全不一樣是不同的概念你們去研究一下好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員了解好的 因為我上次有提到你們說要跟這個國發會做研究我也不曉得到底後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
671.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
686.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
全体国民有一个单一账户那这边又是国民单一账户跟儿少这个部分你们来想一下好不好谢谢谢谢李坤诚召委谢谢主席接下来请陈玉珍委员咨询 |