| IVOD_ID |
166283 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166283 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T10:40:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T10:49:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0b31da761dc9018f0a68b3568d601d3dc44a569ea12001d97dca8d0dceb804b035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:40:09 - 10:49:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查監察院函請審議「審計部組織法第七條、第十條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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好,謝謝主席,請審計長請審計長委員好,謝謝委員那個審計部在公務體系頭是不是很過人的啊當然啦,你齋章發福他會說大家很開心的,不可能的所以我這裡,我遇到這樣,我找優良案例 |
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第二個是 你有看過你們各處的處長去到議會備詢的狀況嗎有你覺得這樣的場景適合嗎都因為這是主軸所在 要甘之足矣 |
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因為你們報告寫下來嘛 就是寫一寫然後到應該都年底啦 年底就會進議會嘛那就是不同政黨的人 有些拿來攻擊嘛那有些拿來請這個處長 解說說這句話是什麼意思嘛我來齁 一定要叫他們橫屏報導 後會愛笑 拜也愛笑 |
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那你們做審計就是各縣市政府自己定的標準你們以那個標準去審計嘛對 因為我們不會注定標準 |
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那我請問一下你們報告出來之前你們當然這個寫報告過程中會請各縣市政府提供相關的資料嗎會請他提供相關的資料以後還會請他看看這樣是不是客觀公正那也會請相關的人員來到處裡頭一般我們會去抽查的時候就會和他們開會議那最後這個報告出來之前 |
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還有讓這些單位的同仁啦比如說各縣市政府局處的人員再有一次辯駁的機會嗎有 我們這個是很基本做審計很基本的因為我們客觀公正很重要那他辯駁完的內容會再放進去報告嗎 |
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客觀他講的有道理有沒有道理是誰決定因為我們現在查一個都要損記發現還有要有客觀數據他沒辦法反駁我的客觀數據他如果反駁了你覺得沒道理你們會不會把他的說明放進去有都會 |
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他會怎麼樣 要看有的是說會這個明顯的沒有道理為什麼這樣問啊是因為會有這個狀況就是說這個事情已經都跟審計處講過了那審計處呢 我就去講過了審計處就硬要這樣寫那到最後呢 到了議會去啊議會議員會質詢嘛你們的處長就會回答嘛回答完之後媒體就會來問這個局長啊 |
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欸 局長 啊 審計 你那審計處會這樣寫啊 你那什麼意見啊 我就把審計處說不是這樣啊 他就要寫啊那不可以 有沒有遇到這種事 有 |
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那怎麼辦 我已經在 我已經啊 我提面命說人家有道理的事情啊 你一定要叩關公正好 我是建議這樣啦就是說相關的 因為你們的審計是按照各單位他們自己定的標準去審計 對吧好 他標準定很低也是他家的事 對好 那 |
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我是建議這樣就是說你們在這個因為你們那個報告都有出題字嘛出題字裡頭會有價值判斷我叫他們盡量不要下個人的意見那就是這些用字啊我是覺得相關的用字給它標準化譬如說未達標 |
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要達標就沒達標嘛有人說這最罵的 人就很生氣 我知道 就是那些用字啊因為我跟你講你們的審計報告到了年底是各縣市議員啊非常重要的參考文件 怕連那個可以連很久的除了你們的處長去報告那一場以外啊後面就是一直連一直連 |
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有些地方的媒體就嚇五六瓶 會嚇得很簡單因為你們裡頭寫了蠻多價值判斷在裡頭用了一些成語 情緒性的字眼那這個可能慢慢再改啦 已經改很多啦這個可能要調整一下因為你們是比較有客觀的標準在談這件事因為我只會被定位為說你們在 |
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批評某一個縣市長的施政有時候會落到這樣我們是要用善意把關 要從善 把共助善助好 第二個就是我們今天討論比較多的這個政務任用你可不可以講一下為什麼要政務任用你們的副手 副座為什麼要有一個是政務任用你不可以說我們本人都有 我也要有 |
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就是審計單位的特性 為什麼要政務任用就是說這件事情 再講一下你不要再跟我說是因為別人有也要有這最主要 我常務大部分都遵照一般在執行遵照我們的政策方向在執行政務會協助破壞一些損失的方向 損失的政策 |
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常務的就沒那麼多也是沒那麼多啦 但是就剛才你說的這個國家的體制你就叫我不要講那個我就講比較可是我是說為什麼要政務啦 不懂啊就是這樣 政務有政務的功能嘛常務有常務的功能那沈長你任期會不會跨越總統的任期看起來不會喔看起來不會喔不一定啦 這個因為還要閒啦還要閒我不知道啦我說在設計上啦 |
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設計上會跨越嘛 |
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設計上一定跨越我是小英第一任是蔡總統提名我跨越了蔡總統 到了賴總統所以就是設計上你有可能會跨越不同的總統會跨越不同的但是我們都是不管是哪一個總統我們都是秉持我們審計獨立的精神該替國家把關那你覺得這個總統會對審計長啊 |
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407.466 |
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432.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
就是說我國家政策要這樣走 所以沈記長要跟著走嗎 會嗎兩院的總統都沒有給我交代金的事情那如果不會的話 那你的這個副沈記長 或者副座啊副座為什麼要跟政務任命有關呢剛剛講嘛 我一個人會將人財進不是啦 你就用常務的就好 |
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433.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
456.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
常務的喔 常務的就比較主性 都聽我的那我就要自己拚了那政務的就不會聽你的嘛 對不對沒有啦 他可以陪我逗生啦常務的也可以 所以你這事情你還是沒解決啦這個說法上啦 好啦 好啦 我來處理啦對不起 師傅我是說你要跟社會解釋 政務跟常務在這件事情上的差別第二個 我最後問一個問題啦今天你的報告 今天兩個單位來喔 |
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461.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
464.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
都企劃調價 你說什麼都沒有啊 都沒有啊 都沒有啊你聽我說你聽我說你聽我說你聽我說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說你聽說 |
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482.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
484.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你剛有講說你有跟那個部長聯絡嘛我請問一下你們這個案子要送出來你們三個單位有開過火嗎三個單位沒有啦 因為我是順治獨立 我要上監察院監察院的議長啊 這個心計一定要勞人所以制度上你們 要支持 要祝福 |
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509.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
525.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
制度上你們三個不可以一起開會不是啦 你們要做比喻 我想說你們三個單位會一起開會嗎不會 因為我審計有審計的獨立在我那個世界最高審計機關來講要審計獨立不能受到行政的牽制 |
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530.933 |
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545.318 |
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不是啦 開尾啦這邊簽署的很厲害啊我說開尾啦 不一定簽字啦所以這個會不會開了對不對你們三個補會有啦 都有去問啦都有去問說這樣可以嗎大家都說可以啊來到這裡都說不行搞不好說種植品挑我挑我問問的都可以啦剛才那個想起白想起的好啦 萬一你說製度上你要找這個開尾做一個會議紀錄有困難對不對沒有啦 因為這製度上OK 好 了解 好 謝謝 |
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562.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
562.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
好 謝謝 |