| IVOD_ID |
166269 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166269 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T09:48:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T09:59:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0fa2204731de13e6b9ecb9f93c172c55144a569ea12001d9791b1f0c7435980ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:47 - 09:59:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「財政收支劃分法」7案：（僅詢答）
(一) 本院委員郭國文等17人、委員賴瑞隆等19人、委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等3案。
(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等26人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員陳玉珍等24人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例」2案：（僅詢答）
(一)本院委員郭國文等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
(二)本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。
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有請財政部的莊部長請莊部長委員長部長早我們看到媒體有報導說輝達H200晶片可以銷中國大陸但是中間美國要抽成25%要台灣買單 |
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這個要台灣買單啦 這個我們財政部邊預算啦他賣東西給美國 給大陸 結果要被抽百分之二十五佣金 要台灣買單 你怎麼看這個事啊我想對於媒體的報導 覺得還需要大家要進一步的確認不過他已經這樣講了啊 美國政府都這樣川普說這個要抽百分之二十五啊 台灣買單啊 他說進口稅啊 |
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我想這個部分還是要進一步的確認所以你不知道 這個事是 我覺得後面是要進一步確認那我現在就是說 我問你就是說如果要台灣政府買單 你接受嗎我想這個什麼叫做台灣政府買單輝達去把晶片賣給大陸那台灣買單是怎麼個買單對啊 莫名其妙啊怎麼會有這樣子我覺得是要進一步了解我覺得這個詳細的內容我們經常是從媒體上看到也許事實如何我們都需要進一步的確認 |
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這個等於扒兩層皮喔 奇怪了生意人在做錢 他在賺所以我們來復活 這是莫名其妙 這個東西怎麼會這個樣子我們回到今天的國安基金了國安基金 卵資產可以上來喔我們看到我們歷屆總共八次復盤只有一次 2000年10月2號 |
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超過1000例其他都沒有超過1000例沒有一次也沒有然後呢這個是報酬率6.22%到53.21%所以每一次進場都賺錢幾乎都是當然有些媒體把他說你什麼時候有一次虧了不過我們看全部的Lambson他賺錢6.22%到53.多% |
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國安基金的成立背景是李前總統李登輝時代他因為接受德國之音的訪問他要炮出一個特殊的兩國論所以他成立這個國安基金怕影響股市全世界幾乎沒有像台灣這樣的國安基金 |
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都沒有有那個機制但是幾乎沒有專門因應股市的像香港 中國大陸 日本 韓國 新加坡他們都是用機制啦不是用我們叫成立一個基金專門對付 應付股市的波動 |
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這個部長你不覺得我們五千億夠了因為最多就八次裡面只有一次超過一千億其他都是低於一千億你看還有一次2020的3月只有7.6億這個2004的5月只有16億綽綽有餘 |
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跟股市的市值90幾億沒有關係啊我們國外基金主要是怕市場失靈市場失靈是要看量沒有教育量這個市場就沒有了 |
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無量下跌 這個時候國安基金應該要進場可是 現在來講都沒有這種事情發生啊你要不要回答一下這個 而且今天是委員的提案啦沒有行政院的版本啦 |
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其實有什麼立場沒有 你們支不支持嗎要不要增加五千億跟委員報告 國安基金成立的到現在從民國89年到現在已經超過25年了那這樣的一個情況它的市值從我們的報告裡面國安基金委員會的報告裡面寫得非常清楚成長的倍數非常高另外外資的比例也佔的高 |
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那在國安基金目前雖然是五千億但是有三千億是四大基金來融資但是四大基金本身他自己也有所投資所以能動用幾乎沒有動用過那因此只有兩千億可以去融資那在實際上在運作上在國安基金的委員會裡面也有委員提出這樣的一個建議認為這個規模事實上應該要更是你沒有回答我的問題 |
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過去的八次裡面只有一次超過一千億綽綽有餘啊你現在你要講說我就兩千億可以用但是三千億你一樣可以集中調度啊四大基金你也可以集中調度不是不能調度來 我再告訴你部長啊你要增加五千億是什麼概念你要借錢喔 |
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利率多少這個部分是不是實際操作由我們執行秘書來回答秘書請請市長利率多少現在是1.4多5千億乘以1.4多就是77億喔就是我每一年我沒有進場 |
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去賺錢我都要多付七十幾億喔這是白花花的影子喔你只是一個心理 老實講這個東西當初的李前總統的時候是怕兩國論引起市場的恐慌那現在呢大家會覺得說你是不是因為賴清德總統丟出來一點澳照特別預算準備兩岸打仗了所以我要加碼五千億 |
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只有這個可以解釋 不然我是百思不得其解人云欲雲 大家覺得說 喔 現在市場的規模這麼大九十幾兆 所以我要增加這個不能畫等號了 這個推論沒辦法說服人民啦對不對 我要 我若不進場 我一樣要付七十幾億我加五千億 一年利息就是七十幾億七十幾億的利息 付在這裡每年付 每年付 他如果沒進場 還要付 |
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對 你得到什麼 就是心理上你剛剛已經講九十幾兆啦如果真的大崩盤的話一兆也不夠啦一兆也不夠啦 你要怎麼去hold這個股市hold不住啦股市是hold不住的啦對 這個是一個心理的心理藥所以你看喔 國安基金變成一兆的時候 大家不用怕一兩槍 就這樣而已 |
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這個今天不要太廢了可是我是非常保留我覺得大家只是人云亦云說因為股市市值這麼多了所以應該把它增加到一兆但是從8次沒有只有一次超過1000億而且每一次都賺錢而且你增加5000億一年就多增加77億 |
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論錢我是很保留所以我覺得來部長等一下因為我沒有時間部長你同意不同意部長請部長我覺得要開個公聽會啦 |
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讓各界的聲音進來啦你們現在也沒有版本啊要不要開個公聽會 可以嗎我想怎麼樣的一個處理那當然大院有相關的職權那我覺得這個部分國安基金這樣的一個擴大規模在相關的國安基金委員會裡面的委員也都有所開個公聽會啦 讓外界的聲音進來我們來看喔 那個部長 |
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行政院對於114版的財務法題負一被否決了財政部的下一步的步驟是什麼 |
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你們是115年是按照我們3月12編的這個統籌8814億一般2500億計劃新年308億這個對吧沒有錯就是根據這個編現在等於願版已經卡住了立法願版已經卡住了那就是回到3月12通過的版本最後一個問題我又請 |
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部長 你知道嗎 飯宮股持有國票金這個國務署長也在 市長也在已經超過打兩成了這個我們所知道的 現在是譬如說兆豐幾個飯宮股都要自己買我就問 是不是要落實公併私你們準備要掌握國票金的經營權有沒有這樣的意圖 |
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有關經營權當然跟實力是有關係的要看你有多少的實力那公股去買這個有買這個國票金那當然是根據他們自己內部的一個財務的一些規劃那後續怎麼樣去處理後面的股權我想這個是後續他們會去做考量的 |
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公股是也會去做考量沒有 如果你今天因為其他人這個持股大概不會超過10%換公股就20%當然要拿經營權啊 為什麼不要拿經營權呢你們已經買這麼多了 難道你要20%送給別人嗎送給張三 李四 王五 不通啊這裡面大家就會質疑喔 |
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如果你不要拿經營權那就是你這樣的一個投資可能要圖利某一個團體圖利某一個集團變這個樣子喔我們不會圖利我們不會去圖利任何或者幫助他變成變成最大最大股東掌握經營權啊否則現在人家人家媒體就這樣報導我們是根據媒體的報導是你看持股亮澄問拿國票金的經營權結果現在 |
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看起來好像不是 你們沒有這個企圖心那就是你們要幫助別人我們當然會按照實例的原則來做處理所以按照實例原則我可不可以解讀說你不排除要去掌握經營權 |
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這個部分我覺得因為後續還會有一些什麼樣的變化我知道看看因為在股票市場你既然已經講實力原則我就主張既然實力原則你已經最大股份了你就好好去掌握經營線我覺得我覺得在這種情況之下才能夠得到這個社會的支持了解謝謝委員謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員 |