| IVOD_ID |
166268 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166268 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T09:49:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T09:57:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:55 - 09:57:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查監察院函請審議「審計部組織法第七條、第十條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席是不是請陳審計長請審計長 |
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委員好 沈記長你好其實你任這段時間我還是蠻肯定你的就是要 |
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這個公平公正客觀而且要獨立那個我想審計部的官網自己寫到審計權能否發揮應有之功能其超然獨立之特性最重要的條件是最重要的條件此外審計法第十條規定審計人員要依法獨立行使其審計 |
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的職權不受干擾那政務官任命受到政治力的影響這個政治高層可能下達政策的指導其恐怕影響整個審計獨立的公正性那我請問審計長對您而言追求審計獨立不受政治操弄您覺得是不是審計部必須要先捍衛他的整個核心價值 |
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謝謝委員 這是我們的核心價值我們的核心價值就是獨立 專業 廉政 創新這是我們一直掛在我們牆上的四個核心價值這個我非常認同 那個陳記長 |
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本席是不反對 但是今天 |
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這個審計部組織法修法想要增設政務官的副審計長來協助審計長來加速於全面拓展數位審計本席認為說如果政務的副審計長獨立性與公平性已經被外界質疑在沒有獲得朝野立委普遍支持前本席認為審計部 |
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要好好的想一下如果是增加常務的副審計長我們真的是可以討論那如果需要數位專長意見難道不能跨部會合作由數位發展部與審計部共同合作來推動數位審計嗎你的看法呢 |
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那個 陳記長 |
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因為眾所周知 政務官政治任命今天草案希望能夠增加政務的副審計長立法院法治局也建議政務的副審計長提請這個 |
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任命的方式依法治上為不同設計立法院法治局建議為避免審計長之獨立性遭架空政府審計長不僅需據 |
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那我請問沈記長你是否認同立法院法治局的這種建議認同 |
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因為政府我們也希望維持 大家都有一些疑慮我們希望我們的條件 任用諸葛的條件能夠維持我們的獨立還有專業如果能夠把這個問題 大家所疑慮的強化對我們損失也是一大助力 |
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所以我同意委員的意思其實事務的副審計長本席是認同你要是政務的話上面指派我認為這個事會有所偏差如果今天在政府想像找對象像中選會前主委李靖勇一樣長久以來就是民進黨黨員政治色彩背景濃厚的數位 |
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專才為了要擔任政務副審計長才宣布說退黨轉成無黨籍那本席認為這樣的人選並不適合其超難獨立性令人質疑那我請問審計長你覺得修法要如何避免上述這種情況的發生 |
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我們委員因為很多的委員都有這種疑慮我們一定政務這一塊我們原則上我們會強化他的專業和獨立如果會影響專業和獨立我同意如果沒辦法達成這個目標我同意就徵受我們還是維持常務 |
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但是中央機關組織基準法是兩個政務一個常務但是我們是盡量來配合中央機關組織基準法 |
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我是認為你向媒體報導中油關塘接收站三接外推方案黃波堤興建工程涉及湖報工程預算內容爆料該黃波堤工程原來的預算差不多只有94億在短短期間內 |
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經歷過4次的加價最終飆到253億過去中油公司的員工這個勾結廠商不時的核銷侵吞公款 遭監察院提出糾正案可見中油內控制度以及員工法制的教育均有不足 |
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請問陳審計長你是否會專業勾肌整個中油三接的工程究竟到底有沒有福報工程預算你們會不會深入了解因為社會上對這一個昏昏繞繞我們本來是事不後有損記看他的成果 |
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但是昏昏繞繞的時候這個我已經比剪掉還早派人已經進到因為有財務問題有採購問題所以這個我派了我的審計官帶隊最起碼你要給社會有一個交代說確實你們有在做事好不好謝謝好 |