| IVOD_ID |
166258 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166258 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-10T09:15:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-10T09:26:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a128e1119a2c25c0d9f2366e0f6eee09a68b3568d601d3dce95b9c653acd4d720d8c7324e0a01dc75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:15:50 - 09:26:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查監察院函請審議「審計部組織法第七條、第十條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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來 謝謝主席 麻煩有請沈記長請沈記長委員好沈記長好 沈記部很辛苦同仁很認真 這個我都知道因此這一次提出有關於沈記部的組織法希望能夠提根關等讓你們沈記部的同仁不會被其他機關挖走 |
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上面的路會比較順一點基本上面的方向我是覺得值得討論不過我要說的是你今天也看得到考試院全序部跟人事總署對你們提出來的修法意見很多書面報告我就出來了那是不是審計部不得人緣 |
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得罪太多人有關係啊我不要去揣測啦但考試院看了也不爽行政院看了也不爽你要通過這個修法 沈記長要多努力啦我只有對一個政務副沈記長我在這邊公開表達反對沈記長是立法院行使同意權通過的 |
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法務部部長是著龍太愛找誰就找誰副審計長跟一般的次長是沒有辦法相比擬的為什麼 因為審計長是立法院通過部長隨時可以換 次長酬庸的一堆啦我們現在看各個部會 次長酬庸的一堆 看了就知道 |
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你現在 偵涉一個政務的副審計長你不怕人家空降來監軍啊叫你審計部乖一點啊審計報告不要亂寫啊不要一天到晚指出行政機關的缺失啊你不擔心這件事嗎立法院沒有通過欸塞一個政務副審計長給你欸一天到晚在你旁邊看著啊 |
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叫你們寫審計報告要小心一點你都不會擔心喔一點政治敏感度都沒有啊口口阿祖 口口阿祖一點政治敏感度都沒有啊 審計長我為什麼跟你說政治敏感度很重要我支持你們審計部做我的專業審查報告但問題是什麼你知不知道你們審計部的報告被賴政府當空氣你知不知道審計長你知道嗎 |
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一般我們如果有審查意見我們會追蹤國會追蹤國來來來我直接帶你看我講話像有憑有據監察院彈劾審計部認定超思雞蛋的弊案農業部前市長浪費公帑五億兩千九百九十七萬監察院彈劾了審計部也認定 |
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我後面啊 審計部下面的報告文字我都列出來了損失費用高達五億兩千九百九十七萬卻有疏失啊這審計部的報告沒有錯吧對好我上次問農業部部長陳俊記很傲慢啊說你們寫這個東西根本沒依據啊審計部有沒有什麼要說的 |
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直接開嗆回去給你們啊你們審計部寫那什麼東西啊農業部部長就直接講啦沒有依據啦你騙我誇死人啊你審計了又怎麼樣賴政府把你當空氣啊審計部說浪費了五億多農業部部長回嗆審計部沒有依據啊支持你們有什麼用 |
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支持你們沒有用啊我給你再多的員額再高的官等我甚至給你多一個常務副審計長審計人員很辛苦在查帳帳查出來納稅人損失五億多寫出來又怎麼樣行政部門當空氣啊審計長你看到農業部部長這樣回嗆 |
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你心不會痛喔你要不要幫省紀部的同仁說幾句話還是農業部部長賴清德的愛將摸摸鼻子 算了省紀部不敢講話 省紀長謝謝委員關心這個案子 |
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對這個案子我們查到了以後我們就把它收回了兩億七千多萬移送監察院 監察院也彈劾了相關人員也糾正了農業部這個部分你糾正他他說你講的沒有特別依據啊 |
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這一個因為 監察 他在這裡打刑 我不知 用意不知怎樣但是這兩億多 將近三億 我們都還沒給他核銷第二個沒有核銷那錢要怎麼辦我們會逐步追蹤他這一些錢 到底因為這個法官一判 其中有六千多萬是有問題的那這個我們會邀請周圍 |
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你說你沒有給他核銷嘛那我就跟你講你為什麼被人家當空氣上一次就業安定基金被人家拿去開演唱會拍沙龍照勞動部挪用就業安定基金要給勞工的錢花了幾千萬拿去胡搞瞎搞你審計部也做報告出來了 |
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結果勞動部解決的方式是什麼審計長你知不知道他解決的方式是說錢我也沒有要追回來我再從公務預算 編預算去填回去就好了浪費納稅的錢喔審計部寫出來囉我一直追勞動部部長 錢什麼時候要回來給皮皮啦 |
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431.358 |
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第一次 尋答的時候 洪森漢說我們一定會去追後來呢 沒笑沒信不敢去追解決的方法是什麼我們再拿納稅的錢編公務預算然後編回去就業安定基金所以我就說嘛 你做了有什麼用你被人家當空氣啊被人家當笑話啊 |
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433.424 |
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460.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
啊你如果這樣子 審計部還不硬起來我再說一次啊我今天在這邊質詢 我心很痛我是在幫審計部講話審計部專業的審計人員查帳 查了一堆出來然後呢上一次人事同意權的時候我們八票都支持你我們台灣民眾黨的支持者每個都說讚 |
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462.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
487.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
就事論事 提好的人選 我們就同意因為你們有做事嘛謝謝但問題是什麼 做了事以後被行政院當空氣 被賴政府當空氣這個不會 因為這兩個 這剛剛講的兩個案啦第一個我們都有移送檢調第二個我們都有移送檢查案第三個我們都有做財務收支處理我直接跟沈記長講啦 我叫農業部啊 |
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490.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
518.372 |
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去跟那個被彈劾的張經緯求償啊結果農業部部長就不肯啊他撐著啊怎麼可以跟他求償跟他求償到時候把所有的事情抖出來那還得了喔千年甚廣啊這麼多錢他一個人吃得下來喔來 第二個案子就業安定基金剛剛我就講了啦你們就業安定基金再回去重新看一下真的被人家當空氣啊 |
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519.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
541.819 |
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你們被當空氣我老實講還是小事啊納稅人的錢被這樣胡搞瞎搞才是大事啊來花蓮艷澀湖一流期間環境部主責的官員跟廠商出訪歐洲考察這個案子有沒有查這案子目前沒有去查我今天直接跟沈記長檢舉啊他拿錢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
574.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
說要去歐洲考察結果發生了什麼事情發生了這一筆錢從哪裡支的我預算書找不到結果呢結果用假的派員出國計畫編預算要派員出國沒有派員出國啊沒有派公務員出國啊錢拿來什麼挪用挪用什麼挪用署長帶廠商出去玩可以這樣幹喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
588.447 |
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可以這樣幹嗎 沈記長這個我們要查了以後做一個向委員報告好 我順便再跟你講更離譜的事情是什麼陪他出去玩的廠商在他任內拿到的標案金額高達快三千萬不必嫌到這種程度 |
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602.045 |
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631.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我跟你說你聽到沒有 知道 我是署長啊在我任內這個廠商啊我用限制性招標標案金額拿了三千萬什麼是限制性招標 沈紀長應該很熟嘛 知道要篩選過的啦我認可的啦 你才能來投啦給他三千萬的限制性招標挪用公務預算 要派員出國的錢署長自己跑去歐洲玩 還帶他一起去 |
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633.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
651.474 |
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臭不可聞啊 沈紀長 是承不承諾徹查到底 徹查需要多久 一個月內好 一個月內 我等你一個月啊我等你一個月啊 那我希望啦不要一個月出來了以後你的報告又被人家當空氣啊我們都會追蹤 好 OK好 謝謝黃國昌 |