| IVOD_ID |
166248 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166248 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-08T10:14:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-08T10:24:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e238918248e277b399ac43c80700f17146ee6dd7c9e9cb52e205c0f991a2210e40c3ce8f2effcf9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:35 - 10:24:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員蔡易餘等20人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員陳亭妃等19人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
(第四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【12月8日及10日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席謝謝主席 請陳部長請部長部長 |
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農民是我們國家糧食安全跟農村永續的發展的基礎所以我們也擴大對農民生活上的保障也做了很多的努力包括挖農老農津貼還有現在我們正要修法的農民的退休儲金的部分這就希望說他們有更多更好的保障也是鼓勵我們農民 |
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大家都来从事我们农事工作但是这个农民的退休储金它这覆盖率也好大家投保的也比较少这一部分也针对我们今天希望说如何来提高一些诱因鼓励大家来投农民的退休储金刚刚听到部长你讲是六四来提拨是不是 |
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是 我第一個跟委員說明現在的覆蓋率你這邊計算的可能有點錯誤因為48萬就業人口裡面有非常多的65歲以上不好意思 不是我錯誤是你們給我的資料是這樣子的 |
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好 那沒問題 你修正我們現在目前就是因為以勞保來講85萬人然後65歲我們扣掉那現在覆蓋率是多少將近差不多50有到50因為實際65歲以下有真正的從事農業的部分大概是22萬 |
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好 那如果覆蓋率有這麼高的話我們也是非常高興我們還是要努力啦還是要努力啦還有努力的空間嘛對 特別是青農的部分比較低青年農民的部分比較低那為什麼青農會比較低你知道這原因嗎因為青年農民本身他剛進入這個職場他的收入不穩定而且他有非常多的貸款 |
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所以我們也做過問卷他們覺得說這樣的一個角對他們來講負擔比較大所以我們才會去設計就是說讓他負擔少一點政府負擔多一點在保障不變的情況之下去做這樣的設計這還有另外一個問題啦那很多人從本來是勞保的中年轉 |
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轉型到了我們來農民做農業農務的工作所以他不希望浪費這個他們農保的這個年資能夠繼續的老保的那個年資所以他希望繼續有老保那所以老保的人要怎麼樣去參與我們的農民的這個退休處境這個方面有沒有辦法雙管齊下我 |
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我想我們在歷次的跟青農座談裡面也發現到這一點就是說有一些他不願意放棄他勞保資格因為他已經繳了一段時間了但是他又真正的實際從事農業的部分所以這個部分大概有4萬多人所以我們也一直希望說在這個部分設計一個方案讓這些參與勞保的人但是又有實際耕作的農民能夠參加農民退休儲金 |
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所以这个部长都有了解所以可以让他们一起参加其实也不是说他们没有从事劳保工作劳工的工作他们有两份工作有些工作是一些工作是责任制的所以他可以从事两项的工作所以可以给他们多一点鼓励像我们的农民的退休储蓄就是多一点鼓励保障他们的生活这样子的话他们会更多人来投入我们的农事工作好不好这个也要注意还有一点就是说 |
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因為剛剛特別提到有老農年金老農年金的話他們一個月大概可以領八千一百一十塊錢那所以他很多人想說我就有這個部分了我就不需要再來投這個老農這個退休儲金了所以這一點的話我們要再怎麼樣去宣傳去鼓勵他們呢 |
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這個就像LEGO在堆疊一樣我們最底層是農民退休儲金然後你如果那個老農津貼然後你如果說現在開始從事農業你有存一點錢的話退休的話所得更有保障這個部分我想我們會更努力的來做一個宣導所以提撥的他們可以領雙重更多對 未來可以領的更多比老農津貼還多就趕快把這個案子定案來我們 召委也在排這個案子希望能夠來做審查早日來那個草案修正通過好不好 |
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那接下來本席要問的就是廚餘的問題 |
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剛剛大家都有提到廚餘的問題那現在最重要廚餘的部分的話現在從2025年到2026年我們循序漸進先讓家戶的 家庭的廚餘先來退場然後再事業的廚餘 是不是那剛剛有提到部長有提到說現在補助這個黑毛豬的部分2025年 今年的話一頭是3600元請問明年一頭是多少錢不是 |
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轉型的時候我們由廚餘變成飼料的時候我們給他每頭3600塊大概半年的飼料費另外我給他一些餵食系統因為飼料有另外的餵食系統從30萬到300萬根據他不同的規模因為我的資料裡面有看到說2026年如果說 |
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他們在轉型當中 他們一投注之後補助1800塊是不是沒有 那個是明年的1月1號才來舉手說他要轉型的我們就希望說 因為明年1月1號開始你就要徵主嘛你要徵主才能夠高溫徵主對 那你如果說這個時候開始我們就希望說他在年底之前能夠說他願意轉型我們會給他輔導 |
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那如果說最慢到明年的1月1號1月1號才決定 才決定的話現在已經12月幾號了到明年的1月1號 你的轉學時間太快了吧你就把3600塊變成1800塊 對 |
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因為不是因為這個時間太急迫性了沒有因為1月1號開始他如果繼續用廚餘他就必須要符合增主設備三個條件所以在那個時間點他要嘛就是飼料要嘛就是廚餘那要廚餘的話他也許可以到年底來申請 |
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部長因為你們2027年就全面禁止廚餘對不對所以現在已經12月了到明年2026年不到一個月的時間我認為你們循序漸進裡面要多給他們一點緩衝的時間所以到明年本席的建議啦還是維持一頭豬是3600塊他們一樣是高溫會去珍珠慢慢的循序退場因為這個廚餘部分在我們的家庭廚餘 |
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這個大概一個月有1385公噸那置業廚餘的話大概760公噸那這個這樣加起來就2000多公噸你現在的廚餘的話你沒有這個能源化跟堆肥化你沒有這個設置的這個設備的話全部丟到焚化爐去焚燒你全部去焚化爐焚燒焚化爐能夠承受嗎這些等等都是問題所以 |
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本席在這邊建議部長我們一定要完整的因應跟所有的配套我們要把這個所有的升值中心或者是說我們的高速這個堆肥的這個處理中心通通都要把它建置好來才可以承受這個處理的部分好不好 |
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我跟委員報告當初在設計就有階低式的補助最主要就是因為我們一年以後完全禁止了所以這些猶豫期不要太長你如果變成飼料的話我們盡量的去協助你猶豫期不到一個月對啊現在已經12月幾號了沒有所以我們階低式的1月1號明年1月1號以後是1800 |
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所以現在我說你那1800太快速了是不是在做研議還有就是廚藝的部分因為主席站起來還有廚藝的部分家庭的廚藝的話是比較多的你可以請他們快點來處理這個清潔隊或者是收這個廚藝的部分能處理但事業廚藝我昨天在碰到餐廳事業廚藝裡面他們就有提到說 |
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他們的廚藝現在是有人去跟他收買來運送但是未來的話他們的事業廚藝的話誰去幫他運送誰去處理直接就增加這個費用啊環境部會負責找那個以種的清潔業者去收 |
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這個費用的話是清潔業者環境部補助清潔業者嗎未來是地方政府必須要負責的地方政府是負責的很多餐廳不知道這些也都必須要做宣傳所以整套的過程這個部分環境部他有 |
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農業部一定能夠循序漸進的包括就是廚藝的處理跟我們家庭跟我們的事業的廚藝都要看怎麼去處理配套都要完整還有我們的設備也要到位來處理這些廚藝廚藝也可以變成我們的經濟跟環境的這個循環的這個很重要的部分最重要的 拜託 |
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黑毛豬的養豬戶穩住他們的生計我們會成立一個輔導團隊不要讓台灣未來都沒有黑毛豬了會 我們會成立一個輔導團隊一起來努力讓這個產業不要積極的跟他們溝通好不好會好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝李玉玲委員質詢謝謝部長我們現在陳昌明委員質詢完我們休息五分鐘我們請謝一鋒委員質詢 |