| IVOD_ID |
166247 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166247 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-08T09:17:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-08T09:26:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e238918248e277b3ffe9e4119da3ad7e46ee6dd7c9e9cb52e205c0f991a2210ef6fa5687ff727cf65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:17:29 - 09:26:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員蔡易餘等20人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員陳亭妃等19人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
(第四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【12月8日及10日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席部長您可以坐著回答沒關係你再把椅子往前拉至少我可以看得到您的臉對所以你就坐著就好了你就不要一直坐下起來你就一直坐著就好那個椅子可以幫部長把它往上提高一點嗎可以喔好因為這樣子我才能看得到您的臉 |
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好謝謝部長您就一直坐著就好了那個麥克風至少有沒有手手那個手拿的麥克風手持的麥克風給這樣可以 |
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好 部長 這個還是要保重齁 這個您是農業最重要的支柱啊 還是要請您要多保重來 部長我們今天要討論一下這個農退儲金制度齁老實講這個從我們當時110年通過開始實施到現在其實在經濟委員會裡頭已經不只一次來請教您齁 |
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整體的這個農退儲金的覆蓋率到現在其實相對還是偏低這個實際的我們現在的農民有資格的農民大概是22.3萬實際參與的人數大概是9.2萬這個覆蓋率差不多41% |
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但是青農的覆蓋率只有24%更低 24%那我們也多次在討論到底為什麼青農不願意加入這個農退儲金是因為誘因不夠嗎還是他們覺得擔心這個資金被卡死還是他認為其實我現在可能還用不到這個還要等到65歲以後那或許他有參加其他的這些儲金制度他有參加其他的保險你們到底有沒有去總 |
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總納規劃一下或者是說在跟這些青農座談的時候有沒有去了解一下為什麼他們不願意來加入所謂的農退儲金我跟委員報告我們也做過了一些問卷那特別是青農的部分 |
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那有兩個最重要的原因第一個原因就是說他們剛剛進到這個農業的職場的時候其實收入不是那麼穩定所以收入不是那麼穩定的時候他們每一個月繳的部分還有貸款的部分所以他們對於那個繳的那個壓力比較大倒是對於後面的這個保障他們比較沒有因為那是幾十年以後的事情他們比較沒有那麼在意 |
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好如果是說他們對於要繳的金額跟這個誘因所以部長如果是這樣我們今天有幾位委員提出來的版本大概就是我們希望能夠做一些結構上的調整 |
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比如說農業部採取百分之40或者是農民60或者是農業部60 農民40我們現在是50 50政府就是相對提撥如果把政府提撥的比例再提高一些農民只要負擔40 |
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這個是不是也是行政院研議的方向我想這個我們有很多的委員大概是這個方向去進行包括這個我們的主席跟蔡議員還有本席我們大概都希望往這個方向去推動行政院到底你們的方向是什麼我跟委員說明就是其實農業部在規劃跟行政院報告的時候也是用這樣的一個方式就是從政府原來跟農民的提撥對等的提撥變成 |
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政府提拨多一点大概是60左右然后农民大概是40左右让农民在每个月提小的时候减少一些负担保障不变 |
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好 如果是提交 如果是這個方向基本上本席也會支持啦另外一個就是說有沒有可能把這個有參加農退儲金的這一些列為我們在未來 譬如說他們申請農機啦或者是肥料啦補助上面的加分門檻其實也是創造創造你要申請這一些補助我其實要看你有沒有加入農退儲金 |
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也是創造一個誘因啦有沒有有沒有想過可以做這樣的 我想謝謝委員的一個建議我覺得是一個很好的方法我們過去很多補助的話沒有做做串聯啦就是我們有一些農業的施政的一些提供一些補助的部分跟可能跟政策可能要對接所以像你剛才講的就是說如果他在農民退休除菌的時候他的 |
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整個的一個補助的比例或是可以做某個程度的調整的話可以增加他們的優因這個我們會來思考如果是這樣部長我希望行政院這個能夠趕快你們的院會能夠趕快處理因為這件事情我們已經談很久了 |
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包括立法院要求農業部趕緊送版本出來到現在還卡在行政院裡頭剛剛主席也特別問了到底行政院什麼時候要送今天排審這個案子其實也是要給你們一點壓力如果行政院院版不趕快送上來的話這個老農今天的討論 |
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退休儲金的討論還是遙遙無期沒有落實的一天我想這件事情可能要請農業部能夠加緊那我知道我們今天的質詢我想行政院院長應該也聽得到如果可以的話是不是能夠在這個禮拜四排入行政院院會趕緊把行政院的版本送進來讓行政院的版本可以跟委員的版本併案做討論部長另外我想要再跟您討論一個老農津貼排富的問題 |
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這件事情其實我想相對也是困擾你們這個排富的門檻民國100年的標準到現在已經10多年沒有調整那這10多年來這個土地的地價飛漲但是排富的標準一直維持在10幾年前你相對來講對於這些老農來說他的生活環境並沒有改善 |
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但是不過因為公告地價的上漲而造成他達到了這個所謂帳面上超過500萬這樣的一個門檻 |
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這個東西其實對老農來說 他是看得到吃不到啦他不過就是因為土地價值的增值可是他土地沒有賣 他其實也沒有任何收入的增加但是我們的排富條款定在那裡 它是一個死的東西造成很多的農民因為排富條款而沒有辦法領老農津貼所以這個我們也提出了提案的修法我也想知道到底農業部的看法是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告 事實上在老農經貼的部分其實我們跟退休族群都已經跟院長報告過了特別針對排富的部分因為我們過去在額度上面都會4年跟著CPI調可是其他的完全沒有去調整所以這一次我們在設計上面也會根據地價的增幅的部分 CLV的部分因為它從100年到現在已經增加了將近70%大概67%左右 |
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所以我們會一併做這樣的一個思考然後特別是對農民所擁有的房屋我一直認為農民擁有的房屋是他一輩子努力的他跟其他的民眾是不一樣所以我們在這裡也做了一些放寬跟跟排富的那個有大幅的一個放寬那這個部分我想我也希望說院裡面能夠盡快的進到院會以後我們就可以送到立法院來 |
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那這個部分的進度現在在哪裡在你們農業部還是已經送到行政院兩個都已經送到行政院去了但是因為行政院在考量不只是老農經貸還有其他的社福基金所以這個部分我們盡量說老農經貸是不是先走 |
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是 因为这个农民其实是最弱势的很多对农民来讲土地价格飙涨公告地价的涨其实不是老农愿意的那因为这个涨幅过高涨幅太高了而且我们十几年没有调整反而造成它被排富排掉这个对老农来讲真是情何以堪所以部长我也期许啊 |
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這兩個案子是不是都能夠去加速希望能夠去督促我們的行政院是不是這個禮拜可以趕快送進院會排入行政院院會然後把他送出送到立法院來我會再跟行政院報告看可不可以有沒有辦法證據到排入院會OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |