| IVOD_ID |
166216 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166216 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-08T10:13:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-08T10:27:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e238918248e277b3dbc41822d9943dc9b5dd3a7969bdec96dc54cac4b90edbf564a5fa53d23552a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:55 - 10:27:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員羅智強等55人、二、台灣民眾黨黨團及三、委員翁曉玲等24人分別擬具「衛星廣播電視法部分條文修正草案」案、四、委員陳雪生等23人及五、委員傅崐萁等24人分別擬具「衛星廣播電視法第五條條文修正草案」案、六、委員葉元之等22人擬具「衛星廣播電視法第十一條條文修正草案」案、七、委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「衛星廣播電視法刪除第五十條條文草案」案、八、委員許智傑等27人及九、委員洪孟楷等22人分別擬具「衛星廣播電視法第六十四條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議僅進行詢答】
【12月8日及10日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝我們請陳代理主委好請陳代理主委教委好好代理主委好代理主委我想 |
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今天很負責任要來排審這個衛星廣播電視法就是希望我們能夠在委員會裡面好好的來針對每一個委員提出來的一個條文來做一個討論那更重要的是相關的爭議其實我們都要做一個釐清所以說這是本席在這個禮拜我排了這個懸答那我們就會在近期內我們再排主條審查就是希望說能夠來依主條但是捍衛新聞自由我想 |
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我們應該都要站在同一條線因為民主法治言論自由新聞自由都非常的重要這一點是我希望我們不分朝野大家共同來捍衛今天NCC的報告特別有講到說新聞自由它其實是一個制度性的保障 |
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但是本席更要講所謂制度性的保障你也不能無限上綱制度性的保障是新聞自由裡面所新聞自由是屬於制度性保障但是政府能夠在一定的範圍裡面管理跟規範媒體可是不得從根本上破壞媒體制度的存在或是多元性 |
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我覺得這一點是剛剛好幾位委員他在提案說明的時候有提到如果說當一個電視台或是說一個新聞台他真的已經逾越了相關的規範的時候或是甚至法令的時候該處罰要處罰你該罰 |
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多少的罰款還是多少的這個部分要處罰但絕對不是說從根本上面來破壞媒體制度讓他直接言論消失我想主委你應該可以很理解即便是大家在這個場域上有很多不同的意見或說我講的話也不一定可以重聽不一定能夠接受 |
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如果說撇開我們是立法委員或是說代理主委的一個身份今天任何人在一個社會裡面我講了什麼樣不中聽的話只要我沒有違反法令我沒有污蔑甚至我沒有做這個相關的言語羞辱的話其實那就是意見表達那你能夠說因為我不喜歡你的意見所以我要求你閉嘴或說甚至我就直接把你的喉嚨給封起來膠布給貼起來不讓你發聲嗎 |
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謝謝委員理解委員的說法跟看法那確實言論自由其實普世的價值大家都在擁護這個自由那但是現在現行的一些法令規範如果說他觸及到這個必須要他自己要承擔的部分那依法行政的機關其實也必須要依法來行政處理 |
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所以依法行政我想過去司法訴訟已經有看到啦不管是中天新聞台或說相關的一個部分其實我們真的不需要因為政黨立場而有雙重標準所以我想請教因為現在有委員有提出相關的版本裡面有所謂如果說將來真的三讀通過的話中天新聞台可以在行政訴訟之前就恢復原本的台來復台 |
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那我想請教NCC會尊重立法院的決議並且讓後續的程序繼續進行嗎各位報告那在立法修正通過前我們的表達意見就如今天的報告那如果立法通過的話行政機關但是依法行政我們當然會依照通過的法律來處理好行政機關會依照通過法律來處理我要提醒喔 |
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因為現在行政院把很多立法院通過的法案即便是三省通過的法案三讀通過法案行政院可以置之不理包括軍人加薪行政院可以置之不理甚至還讀書一格創制一個民主國家沒有看過的說要先釋憲 釋憲通過之後才來處理才來回徵過去的這個薪水那剛剛代理主委已經講了 |
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你不會採取釋憲的方式嘛只要立法院三讀通過的法案你就應該依法處理就依法處理因為你們是獨立自主的機關不受任何上面長官的壓力 對吧 |
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根本包括一般的情况那当然是依法处理那依法行政依法处理但是如果法律上目前的法规架构如果赋予相关单位他有法令相关的一些救济程序我相信他践行这个程序也是依法行政大概是我的看法是这样子 |
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戴主委 是你兩分鐘前跟兩分鐘後的態度完全不一樣沒有 是說一般情況之下我們當然會依法行政那我們是二級機關二級獨立機關正常情況之下就是因為你是獨立機關所以說本席才今天特別來質詢你也並且讓你好好的說明有沒有那個風骨有沒有那個專業有沒有那個獨立性而不是看上面辦事嘛 |
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其實我覺得最遺憾的地方就是過去到現在為什麼NCD讓人家沒有辦法接受或是說NCD讓國人普遍信賴不夠就是因為每一次都覺得是說你們就有上面的壓力啊 |
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就如同剛剛本席其實剛剛林國成委員林國成召委在質詢的時候他一開始開宗明義問說那現在委員徵詢的狀況怎麼樣你也不清楚因為權責不在是權責不在你也因此像這樣子的一個委員的一個部分我們會在總質詢的時候詢問行政院長但是本席要求你的是當你要依法行政的時候就應該依法行政你過去你剛剛講的那部分就是 |
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行政 獨立行政機關的一個態度問題對 我剛剛跟趙偉報告就是說如果這個法律 這個衛管法修正通過那相關假設他最終定案下來我們當然是依法執行這個法律好 依法執行 來那個代理主委 那請教一下最近我們本期也看到另外一個新聞我不知道您應該也有看到前總統陳水扁 |
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那也是現在在服刑的受刑人雖然他現在保外就醫但是他是在服刑當中還有兩個案件還沒有審理但居然我們看到有一個獨家新聞是他明年要在新聞台裡面主持節目 |
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這個有看到就報導但是跟委員報告來兩個部分第一這個新聞台他可以有主持政論節目嗎當初在設定的時候這個新聞台有允許或說他自己有承諾說他不主持他沒有要開設政論節目現況他是不能開政論節目好所以他沒有辦法開政論節目那第二受刑人能夠上新聞台他的當初有所謂的四部條款現在當然已經蕩然無存了 |
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在我們偉大民進黨政府主政之下我們司法好像是就是可以雙重標準到無緣佛界的地步讓獸行人啪啪走除了專訪以外他甚至他可以直接主持節目網路上的他主持節目我不知道戴主委有沒有看過 |
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有稍微看過你也看過所以我們的高官都知道說我們受刑人有在主持節目結果就只有我們的中間就只有我們的法務部就只有我們的執法單位完全把眼睛遮起來好那我現在具體請教如果說明年新聞台他直接邀請這個受刑人上他的頻道來主持節目NCC要怎麼處理 |
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好 兩個部分回答 第一個部分那報導所指涉的那個電視台目前他官網也沒有披露什麼相關這個消息那我們會持續來關注來注意這個處理那剛剛 照有提到前半部部分那是法務部的權責我們這邊就予以尊重那個前半部 |
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就是說他是受刑人身份然後啪啪走這一塊然後這一塊媒體管理不是NCC的責任嗎我說兩部分嘛媒體管理這一塊相關的電視台他目前是不能開政論節目不能開政論節目那他能不能請受刑人如果說他今天他把它變成是談話性節目他故意拐一個橋門不是政論節目我只有請一個來賓一對一對談 |
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他能不能主持這個如果他主持的不是政論性節目那當然就他能主持嗎受刑人可以在我們現在新聞台裡面然後直接上新聞台來主持節目然後我們NCC完全完全放任我們回答兩個部分是在那個電視台目前是不能開沒有政論節目嘛對你已經開中民意講了這本來也是當初那個新聞台設定的一個要旨嘛好 |
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那沒有政論節目但我現在是說他有沒有開巧門 有啊我們也看到他現在不是政論節目但他就找一個來賓一對一對談啊讓那個來賓 那個來賓也是政治人物也是政論節目的常客但是他就讓他一對一對談啊 |
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那這樣子算什麼 算談話性節目只是談話內容是正論可以這樣子取巧嗎我們會在程序上來找相關專家學者來處理還要找專家學者來處理 來因為目前我們沒有傳播委員主委 知不知道這個新聞台它現在有這樣子的一個取巧知道 |
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那這個案子我們的NCC偉大的獨立機關NCC知道人家在這邊做這個取巧但是不講不罰沒有但是我們已經在處理了來做了什麼處理我們發函請他陳述一件然後我們內部也有人家開這個節目開多久了那你們現在發函蝸牛在爬他先前的大選進來講我們已經已該處罰警告了 |
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處罰警告先前的那這是有開罰嗎警告就是一種處罰警告就是一種處罰那在評鑑你敢講本席不太敢聽說實在話對於不同的標準所以說我們上一段質詢本席才在講你的制度性保障新聞自由你可以對一家電視台直接到時候用關台的方式 |
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讓他可以直接死無葬身之地關起他的喉嚨關起他的嘴巴讓他不能再發聲現在對另外一家新聞台他明明就已經違反了當初他設定時候 |
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的條件 不能政論節目結果我們NCC知道他沒有開政論節目他開一個談話性節目在討論政論我沒有在處理 找來賓來聊那個來賓就是政論節目的常客然後結果我們NCC知道但是我們不處理或是我們到最後講說警告就是一種處理不是 現在的我們不是不處理 已經在處理當中那如果最後認定上說要罰我們都會依法行政來該罰就罰 |
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主委是本席最後自己想請教如果最後他的受刑人真的在這個新聞台裡面開節目NCC怎麼做就是我們會提就是用內部的程序來認定說他這樣子有沒有構成說他就是那個真正性節目如果是的話我們當然會他會來罰所以我們NCC可以那麼消極那他就是沒有我已經在處理了現在他已經是他開獨家耶 |
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這是對公權力的挑戰吧我今天不管藍綠黨派如果說今天有任何一個受刑人第一他可以在中華民國法令保障之下保外就醫然後啪啪走手也不抖了說話邏輯思考非常的完整然後結果他要關十年二十年就完全不用審完全不用看他今天不是被特赦 |
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跟周圍報告結果他今天趴趴走之後然後就直接預告還發獨家我覺得今天我們說不定這樣子持續完畢之後還幫他衝點閱率還幫他抽收視率然後結果如果說他發獨家然後之後真的開了節目結果我們NCC還在後面 |
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撥接 卡然後說我們再來收集資料這個是未來式他的官網沒有披露變成事實之後我們一定會依法來處理目前他是披露是未來式但是該家公司他的官網其實也沒有好 我只是想請教一下這樣是不是有違法的行為 |
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因為目前是這是違法行為就是我依照剛剛好如果你這樣講好他這樣子的一個獨家新聞是不是違法的行為如果他是真正性節目的話就是就是違反他當初的我們對他的一些拘束就要開罰所以說代理主委已經講了這是一個違法行為如果我們是最後認定是我是說現在新聞嘛你有看到新聞報導出來吧 |
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新聞有報導但是我們去了解該家公司其實他的官網其實還沒有披露任何東西我們會持續關注因為這個是明年還沒發生事實那任何行為必須要有事實基礎主委本席現在只確認就是說他是違法行為所以說已經確認這是違法行為那如果說他真的做了一個違法行為的時候該依法處置就要依法處置不要再讓國人認為是說NCC張CC看到不同顏色就轉彎可以嗎 |
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可以 如果他開的是這個節目我們就會處理好 謝謝 |