| IVOD_ID |
166207 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166207 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-08T09:44:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-08T09:55:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e238918248e277b3e31676e67d360c1a46ee6dd7c9e9cb522703a5ba45612974da277b577d0128215ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:40 - 09:55:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員蔡易餘等20人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員陳亭妃等19人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
(第四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【12月8日及10日二天一次會】） |
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請陳寧貝委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們請部長好 就請陳部長謝謝部長 辛苦了我想今天不論是勞退儲金或是我們的勞農津貼其實我們已經講很久了從去年一直催催催催到今天那為什麼在你們院板還沒送進來我要先排我們要逼著你啊 |
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明明你在多久以前就已經說你們已經送到院會了我們很早就送到行政院去那為什麼一直沒出我們的行政院送到立法院 |
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我覺得我們現在的執政會有一個盲點我們明明要做的我們都不阿沙裡去做然後每一次都讓我們的農民還有相關的一些權利者等又等 忘又忘然後三催四起我們的版本才出來 |
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這是不對的我們這個早就定調啦我們農民退休儲金本來我們就要幫忙我們能夠更多的農民加入我們這個行列當中就是要有誘因嘛當時候我們蔡英文總統跟我們農業部去推這個農民儲金退休儲金就是這個方向嘛可是因為誘因不足所以 |
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加入這個退休儲金條例的制度的人非常的少所以我們才去檢討要怎麼樣能夠加強誘因這個去年就有共識啦那為什麼拖到現在還沒出來 |
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所以部長我覺得剛剛如果版本有出來其實就會解釋到大家很多的疑慮包括說我們到底現在政府要提撥多少現在是6比4嘛大概我們的方向是政府60%我們提出來的版本跟立法院報告的版本是60比40對嘛 60比40政府負擔多一點 |
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對啊 政府負擔多一點不再是像過去一比一嘛而且你今天出來之後我有詳細聽你剛剛的報告也就是說我們同樣有這樣的一個保障然後我們農民少繳少繳一點 對 少繳可是他得到的跟現在他們所得到的保障是一樣的對 保障一樣少繳一點 對嘛 |
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所以如果我們版本早一點出來就沒有這麼多的疑慮然後還有我們一直在強調的我們怎麼讓青農願意有誘因可以加入到我們這個制度裡面就是我們把勞保跟農保可能有用了一個不一樣的制度來做調和也就是說當他自己在職場當中 |
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他想要回到我們農民制度的當中他可以把勞保跟農保能做一個共同計算然後如果這當中他萬一自己又想回到到了農保之後又想回到勞工職場他又可以回到勞保這個調和板我們到底現在是怎麼做 |
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我也跟委員報告除了剛才所提到的6比4以外我們針對這些自營的這些參加勞保的這些工作者他實際是從事那個農業的部分那這個部分我們也提出了相關的方案就是同意讓他加入農退贖金雖然說他沒有農保他只有勞保那過去不行現在我們希望說開這條路讓他能夠從事而且這部分的人也不少而且是相關 |
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大概是三十幾歲的那些主力非常多就是我們的親農這就是我們的親農所以在這個我們政府的這個政策你要很清楚講給大家聽 |
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讓我們的青農認為說我本身現在有勞保制度我想用的是勞保可是我現在一樣可以進到當我也是從事農民的相關作業我是可以加入我們的這個退休儲金這也是我們在歷史跟青農做談的時候他們提出來的一個建議所以我們也把它設計了一個方法大概大概有4萬多人 |
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這4萬多人應該可以讓他加入我們的農退儲金那一次座談之後我們跟青農提到這一點其實青農都很接受他覺得這樣對他們來講是有另外一個保障是也不會是說我現在從事農保然後我要加入了我現在從事勞保我要加入我們農業的相關這些退休儲金是沒有辦法的 |
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如果有調和之後他們又多了一個選擇是他們更容易把這樣的一個銜接做好所以這個很重要所以為什麼我說在這一次我們要逼著我們行政院趕快把版本送出來就是這個原因了解所以部長 |
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我今天不會排審本來我要排審等待你們進來但是你們沒有所以我今天不會排審等到你願凡進來我12月22號繼續排審 |
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两个礼拜的时间够了我想我会跟行政院尽量的沟通看看可不可以尽早的进到院会因为版本已经都没有问题了是他什么时候排进院会只要他这个礼拜排进院会那基本上我们下个礼拜我们都不复议 |
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這個沒有人會提富裕很快就進到12月22號納入我們這一次的討論12月22號部長我先跟你提醒然後再來有一點也就是我們老農津貼的排富這個也是一樣我們從過去一直提一直提我們已經太久沒處理了多久了 |
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我們老農今年的排富從100年開始都沒有調我們只調額度額度4年調一次對嘛以我們的整個調整用CBI的部分去做調整嘛對不對可是你知道嗎很多人都不知道呢我覺得你們沒有去做宣傳很多人都說為什麼我們老農的福利今天並沒有調整有啊 |
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它是每年它是四年一次依照我們的CPI去做調整對不對對對不對所以你這個要對外講到最近還有農民來跟我們說我們老農好像是三等國民為什麼我們都沒有增加我們的津貼有啊之前我們修過一次法了嘛就每四年調整一次那是不是四年太久了對 |
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我們是不是要再從這個四年再去做思考我覺得應該是要做這樣子我們現在已經調整了可是農民的感覺還是無感 |
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所以就表示這四年是太久了所以我們是不是應該再把這四年的一個檢討期再縮短這個拜託我們的部長再思考一下我跟委員報告我們到立法院到行政院的版本裡面也考慮到這一點過去四年調一次那如果這幾年在這個之間如果CPI變動很大的時候等四年太久了所以我們有設計在中間大概兩年的時候 |
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他超過CPI 超過某個門檻就啟動這個調整但是四年還是不變那第二個部分是排富的部分就像委員所說的排富的部分根據那個COV就是地價的那個公告土地限值的部分我們過去從100年到現在已經累積了大概百分之六十幾快七十了所以我們也一併會調整排富的部分跟個人所得的部分都會一併來調整那這個就什麼時候要送進來 |
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我們同樣的也是在行政院都在行政院那因為老農福利津貼是由衛福部是由這個衛環委員會做主審所以這個部分我們希望這個部分應該要同步送進來我跟委員報告行政院當初在考量這個的時候就是因為考到其他的八大社福但是我們也一直強調可不可以讓老農津貼先走 |
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因為鳥籠今天太久沒調整了啦太久沒調整所以其實我們都有提版本從我們這個CPI是不是要調整機制嘛這個希望CPI一年或 |
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平均成长率超过3%的时候就要做调整这是停飞的提案嘛就是说在调整机制当中虽然现在四年可是太久了人民无感所以我们要求一年或一次在CPI平均成长率超过3%你就要调整还有我们排富的条款就是农业所得以外的所得总额超过60万 |
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就要去做這個處理還有個人所有土地及房屋價值900萬還有沒有農舍者個人所有唯一且有用於居住的房屋可額外扣除700萬這是停飛的提案所以我們拜託我們的行政院版本要符合民意要進帥提出這個部分再拜託部長會 我們會來努力好 謝謝 |