| IVOD_ID |
166194 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166194 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-04T12:47:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-04T12:58:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ba42ffd062fbea8d9e4a691b0189872a9f4d34277fbf0e24746c55bad50cc4f29616e932440b99205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:47:02 - 12:58:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、教育部及內政部就「『行人優先交通安全行動綱領』實施兩年來改善『行人地獄』具體成效暨台灣測速照相機密度精準度、速限制度精進檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長就「淡江大橋通車活動規劃辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
三、繼續審查(一)委員邱若華等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)委員徐富癸等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員柯志恩等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十六條條文修正草案」案及(四)委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十條條文修正草案」案；審查(五)委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查(一)委員邱若華等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第十一條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「大眾捷運法部分條文修正草案」案及(三)委員李昆澤等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第三十九條、第四十三條及第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
五、繼續審查(一)委員盧縣一等18人擬具「鐵路法第二十六條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員陳俊宇等24人擬具「鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案」案、(三)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之四、第六十七條之三及第六十八條之四條文修正草案」案、(四)委員李昆澤等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之五條文修正草案」案、(五)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案、(六)委員廖先翔等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員張宏陸等18人擬具「鐵路法第六十五條條文修正草案」案及(八)委員洪孟楷等19人擬具「鐵路法第六十八條之四及第七十二條條文修正草案」案；審查(九)委員邱鎮軍等23人擬具「鐵路法增訂第六十八條之四條文草案」案。
【本次會議開會事由一、二之詢答後，進行法案之逐條審查；開會事由三第(五)案及開會事由五第(九)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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主席好 麻煩請交通部好我次長次長好我次長請 |
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委員好這個我之前曾經有關心過區間測數的問題啦那當時好像不是曾經質詢過陳士凱部長陳士凱部長就推給別人啦然後後來又再質詢過一次另外一位次長不是您啦那他當時是有承諾說會給我一個全國通盤的檢討報告因為我在跟他詢答的時候我沒有舉出很多區間測數不合理的地方而且那應該是由交通部來統籌的啦他答應啦 |
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結果回給我們的文是非常荒謬第一個解釋什麼叫區間測速然後講說這個區間測速就是最終目的是在控制危險或讓那個易發生的路段的速度均勻就是解釋一下這個原理然後再講說這個是各縣市政府的事情然後最後講說用路輪本來就應該守樹線 |
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然後最後推給內政部說即便是要檢討也應該是內政部的事天啊我覺得交通部居然可以這個樣子耶我覺得非常的荒謬耶 |
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交通部在過去在區間測速的時候我記得非常清楚當時區間測速沒有標準是交通部跳出來找標準局定一個標準出來後來說有一度發生就是區間測速的鏡頭是用到大陸製的鏡頭當時林佳龍部長也說哪一個縣市政府你如果再沒有給我改的話呢區間測速不補助 |
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所以交通部對於區間測速本來就是有責任結果現在可以把這個區間測速推得一乾二淨跟你交通部都無關那社長你們為什麼態度是這樣啊我跟委員報告確實剛提到的區間測速它的全責是在警政單位啊不是啦 警政單位我講一個好不好 |
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台六四台六五為什麼會有區間撤訴是因為新北市的警察局接受公路局的委託請問一下公路局是交通部還是警政署 |
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公路局是交通部還是警政署市長公路局是交通部還是警政署公路局我沒有找公路局我是問你交通部交通部嘛是所以怎麼可以推給警政署呢如果不是交通部針對交通安全的話警政署沒事他去訂這個公運幹嘛所以你們作為一個全國的機關應該訂定一個指引出來嘛針對全台灣這麼多縣市這麼多人民對於區間廁所質疑你要訂定一個指引讓各縣市政府來遵守 |
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不是說跟你們都毫無關係啦我先就問市長你知不知道為什麼全台灣那麼多人對區間測數很反感你知道原因嗎你知不知道原因你完全不知道交通部完全對於大家對區間測數的反感完全不知道完全不知道不是因為這不是我的夜館所以我沒那麼清楚區間測數不是在講那個測數的問題嗎那你不是因為部長沒來所以欸主席我可以暫停一下是可以這樣子喔主席 |
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部長有事然後找了一個對於這個速限管理比較不了解的人說不是他業管業務所以他不了解可以這樣子喔可以要求官員說明他說他不了解啊不是我可以請我的那個業管的那個同仁來說明嗎業管同仁好 |
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跟委員報告 我們了解區間測數最近在社會上討論的熱度很高喔可是我們還是必須要強調區間測數它是一個執法的行為我現在在問什麼問題 |
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我問什麼問題 你就針對我的問題回答因為次長不想回答 叫你回答你就針對我的問題回答就好了我的問題是什麼區間測速它 我們在那個不是 我的問題是什麼你剛才有提到在幾個快速道路上面是公路局去拜託我的問題是說為什麼現在各界很多用戶人對於區間測速很反感你知道原因嗎 |
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我個人的理解 第一個可能是開單的數量很多那第二個 對於這樣子的錢 就是那個罰金似乎是沒有用在道路的交通我跟妳講兩個 好啦 我跟妳講啦第一個啦 大家覺得說這不會達到效果啦不會達到效果 區間測速 你這測頭尾嘛所以很多人一開始速度超過了快要到的時候開始減速嘛減速之後就造成回賭嘛 |
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而且大家 照道理來講發生車禍最主要原因是因為沒有跟前面保持安全距離結果現在為了要盯那個速限有沒有超過平均所以要一直看著儀表板反而沒有去跟前面保持安全距離所以你不見得安全啊還有第二個就是密度太高了嘛光台64中間一段有五個區間測速 |
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所以第一個數件訂的很不合理嘛第二個你密度訂到那麼高嘛而且第三個你到底能不能達到真正的效果嘛大家現在質疑的是這件事情跟委員說明一下從警政署的資料上看起來區間測數或者是科技執法的路段的檔案是有改善的哪一個路段不是每一個路段都有改善啊我們是有數據的而且你有的是很不合理嘛比如說數卷部分我看到網路上有一個影片啊 |
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他在北宜公路上面一條下坡然後腳踏車一下就超速了速限不合理密度太高而且區間車速他本身的問題國外很多是沒有測速照相機的耶加拿大加拿大現在把那個有一個省把那個測速照相機全部都拆掉啦因為他認為改善道路才是重點啦 |
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所有的用路人會根據這個道路的路寬視野或他離房屋的遠近程度自己會判斷安全距離嘛你現在就是直接定時而且那個速度那個數字是變來變去的一下這邊是30一下那邊是40跟委員報告加拿大那個例子全世界只有他這個例子他還沒有沒有你要來講國外的例子我也可以跟你講啦歐美國家他的速限很多都是固定的啦不會像我們這樣子跳來跳去啦密度也沒有那麼高啦如果要講國外的話講不完了啦 |
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我現在會這麼憤怒的原因是因為之前就已經跟你們講說做全國的通盤檢討結果回這種文來我是在問你區間測數的定義嗎你們交通部對於區間測數的這種反應比那個AI還不如啦 |
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AI講得還比你們清楚啦現在是請你們針對這個區間測數做通盤檢討定出一個指引到底密度應該定多高 速度應該定多高甚至於如果發現很多地方效果不好的話就應該要廢除啦現在講的是這件事情可不可以給一個認真針對區間測數回一個報告 可以嗎不要這樣敷衍好不好 |
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市長報委員我剛提了說譬如說要去訂說到底密度多少這真的是要依照每一個路段對嘛那你就去看嘛那你訂個指引啊你訂個怎麼樣路段怎麼樣路寬怎麼樣的標準應該怎麼做你訂個指引出來啊然後大家可以針對這指引做討論啊各縣政府有個遵循啊有那麼困難嗎 |
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市長 是不是我們相關單位到業委員辦公室這邊再做一個不是啦 你現在就可以承諾嘛因為這個是之前就承諾要給的東西啊結果你回一個公文來比AI寫的還不如來敷衍我們你現在就承諾啊 |
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大家都很想知道啦大家都很知道區間測速標準是怎麼定出來的因為區間測速它是一個執法的行為以交通部的立場我沒有辦法跟警政單位說哪裡可以執法那你公路局為什麼委託新北市警察局在六四上面設那麼多區間測速 |
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是不是在會後到沒有我要我要一個我要一個回文啊我要一個我要一個檢討報告跟我們報告下台六十四台六十五部分並不是這一個公務局去委託警察機關建置啦是這這個執法設備當時在早期有補助設備的建置但是設備的建置還是由警察機關來做建置他是他建置你有沒有叫他去建置沒有 |
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沒有所以這個是警政署有來嗎所以警政署這個完全區間撤出都是你們看的這個跑去撤跑去建的嗎跟交通單位都沒關 |
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地方報上來的地方警政單位嘛 警政一定要編嘛所以都是地方警政報上來的是他們自己決定我明明看到的資料是說他們接受公務局的委託現在大家突然推舉都不想要碰這一塊這個部分我就不了解了我們執行員每一個都不了解每一個都不了解你事後給一份檢討報告這是之前答應要給的我現在是針對你給的報告不滿意嘛 |
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主席可不可以裁示一下主席在針對這個業委員需要的報告我想先跟業委員再了解一下業委員關心的一個方向那並且在業委員要求時間裡面回覆業委員報告好不好好我覺得一個月內啦因為這個是之前大家要給的啦你們盡速跟業委員來做一個了解不用了解了啦就是直接給報告就好了 |
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主席猜試一下這樣知道葉委員想要的方向嗎我們會後再跟委員報告好了 好不好 |
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不是讓他們到你辦公室我要一個通盤檢討要訂一個確認是說那個通盤檢討報告到底要寫到什麼樣的一個程度其實葉委員所提出來關心議題我們前面幾位委員也都已經有關心過不管是區間照相不管是測數照相其實這都是議題的狀況那本席也說剛剛部長在 |
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幾位委員職權的時候也有答覆說可以找縣市政府這邊來開會所以是不是針對業委員這邊所特別關心測速照相的部分尤其是有特定路段的地方那也可以來了解之後那依照業委員需要時間裡面進促的回應這樣可以嗎好 謝謝這樣可以嗎 |
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我還是還是希望我們再跟找同仁再跟那個葉委員這邊我剛不是已經講了就是你們在你們在同仁再到葉委員辦公室來確認一下是那之後一起有做回應的時候再盡速的提供回覆給葉委員這樣可以嗎好我們要召委的才是好好謝謝 |