| IVOD_ID |
166181 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166181 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-04T10:35:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-04T10:45:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ba42ffd062fbea8dbc91eb9f6702466a9f4d34277fbf0e24746c55bad50cc4f24159dd19c61a0ed75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:16 - 10:45:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長、教育部及內政部就「『行人優先交通安全行動綱領』實施兩年來改善『行人地獄』具體成效暨台灣測速照相機密度精準度、速限制度精進檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長就「淡江大橋通車活動規劃辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
三、繼續審查(一)委員邱若華等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)委員徐富癸等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員柯志恩等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十六條條文修正草案」案及(四)委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十條條文修正草案」案；審查(五)委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查(一)委員邱若華等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第十一條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「大眾捷運法部分條文修正草案」案及(三)委員李昆澤等20人擬具「大眾捷運法第三十九條、第四十三條及第四十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
五、繼續審查(一)委員盧縣一等18人擬具「鐵路法第二十六條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員陳俊宇等24人擬具「鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案」案、(三)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之四、第六十七條之三及第六十八條之四條文修正草案」案、(四)委員李昆澤等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十六條之五條文修正草案」案、(五)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案、(六)委員廖先翔等25人擬具「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員張宏陸等18人擬具「鐵路法第六十五條條文修正草案」案及(八)委員洪孟楷等19人擬具「鐵路法第六十八條之四及第七十二條條文修正草案」案；審查(九)委員邱鎮軍等23人擬具「鐵路法增訂第六十八條之四條文草案」案。
【本次會議開會事由一、二之詢答後，進行法案之逐條審查；開會事由三第(五)案及開會事由五第(九)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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感謝主席本時邀請我們交通部陳部長陳部長請公總陳局長林局長林局長不好意思警政署我們要代表的是副組長副組長陳副組長部長今天大家在討論這個 |
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你看我們台灣這個罰單數量會不會有點可怕一年開2000幾萬張啦 |
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這裡只有六都加上國道去年最多啦2024年開超過2300萬張每一個台灣人都噴一張我覺得這個數字有一點可怕而且不包含其他其他一般縣市只有六都加上國道警察局的2000多萬張 |
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這是台灣人要操作嗎 台灣人開車都沒收幾支嗎還是我們自己本身的制度啦 道路設計有什麼問題不然你也說看能不能那個 蘇國的經濟稍微減少一點事故減少有沒有減少 看起來沒有了 |
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2000幾萬張 紅燈都開了很多 但我們的事故總件數光算六都 六都沒有變得比較安全你看一下再來 死傷的人數也沒有明顯的改善你看他這個還是持續的攀升 |
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那民怨的民怨之所在我想當然違規啦超速都不對啦但是政府的處罰應該是最後的手段我們政府每次都自己講我要先檢討我的道路設計有沒有問題我的標線號誌有沒有問題然後我才要去做最後手段就是去處罰嘛我才會去設立一些比如說所謂的科技執法其實我看好像也沒有這樣子啦 |
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我們的那種科技職法的設備設在哪裡誰決定工種以外地方政府決定嘛地方政府怎麼決定很多 我想這個台南市給你看台南市就是說以分析年度數據還有各分局提報還有地方的明代建議那我看明代會建議科技職法這個比較少 |
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一般民大都建議設個紅綠燈啦頂多上紅燈上黃燈啦那其中我看主要都是警方在提報啦因為執法單位是警察所以警方都會說對的愛誰對的愛誰但越設越多啦那我請教喔我們的所謂這些科技執法的設備有沒有退場機制啊你說要設在那裡也不好啦有沒有減少啊 |
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只有增加沒有減少科技執法這個部分目前是具體數據是有減少那個事故是2000多件 |
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死傷人數還是那麼多啦開單的人數還那麼多啦我們現在沒有退場的設計啦先試他們看這個地方如果改善可能會把這個轉移到其他地方或是把這個地點拆除掉 |
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你 拆除建樹啦沒有 包括沒有一定沒有的嘛 不怕怕嘛就有你警告 有你檢討的所以啊 我是覺得你 既然交通部你要設立一個設置的標準嘛你可不可以這樣說 有沒有交通部這裡有沒有要設立 設置的標準七條 那個 倒交條例的七條之二七條你有要修嗎 |
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是 委員您在提案的是希望我們可以做一個指引設置標準的指引那也可以來討論啦這個我們也可以來討論不過這個要跟內政部來討論因為實際上的執法是內政部負責執法我們也需要尊重執法單位他們的一些想法你知道一定是要做來進步來討論 |
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是 還有地方政府 因為大部分都是地方政府在執行的你看那個違法的件數嘛你看違法的件數也很高 三十幾萬件你看 好 再來如果是因為錢的因素 |
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我跟你說這大家都吃得低了因為你現在發了很多錢你看對不對尤其對警察來講他其中這裡面分配有24%是給司法單位對不對 |
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給裁決單位24%給裁決單位 75%給地方政府那24%以六都來講的話就是地方政府裁決單位就是地方政府所以地方政府等於是99%以六都來講它是99%那真正警政署的是剩下的1%警政署是拿1%警政署拿1%1%是給中央1%不是中央應該就是那個警察機關這個罰款我們都沒有 |
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一天都沒有拿到嗎 都沒有都沒有 你要講清楚啊那個248是地方處罰機關那處罰機關不是我警察局是那個公路主管機關道路主管機關像交通局 地方交通局現在大家民怨都說警察在黑白開端要開很多的 因為警察有錢收入 |
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這個你們要講清楚啦我給你用麥克風講 那個開發單的收入有沒有都沒有 都沒有喔 你是負責任喔 負責任 沒嘛那一趴到中央來嘛 對不對一趴進國庫 對一趴進國庫嘛 啊怎麼使用跟委員報告對 使用是個很關鍵的問題啦99%在地方政府嘛 對地方政府怎麼使用 |
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目前的規範是有百分之十二是大陸交通改善但實際上大部分都是拿來做設備的維養我所理解他們大概都是做設備的沒有啦 你也不知道地方政府也不用報給你他們不需要報來交通部沒錯這百分之十二跟他相比 |
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報告委員 其他國家都比例高很多啦而且是真正有規範要做道路改善的工程但我們台灣目前是沒有這方面的規定我知道這個比例太低啦你現在請地方政府的收入你是從交通罰端收入對不對99%都留在地方嘛你只有12%拿來做 |
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交通相關的設備改善等等這個比例部長你覺得太低嗎報告委員我們有看其他的國家像日本或者是法國他們比例蠻高所以他們的那個道路改善的速度相當的快韓國其實也是這個可以調高嗎我們希望調高但是要跟委員們大家合作才有辦法調高我們也會跟地方政府來做溝通他這個有一點抵觸財政紀律 |
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這個財政紀律法好像在一百零八年有修訂過是不是這樣子是是你現在這個你要跟財政部談因為他這個訂的很實財政紀律法一定要很細的你現在訂的這個法律修正法律修法法規和自治條例規定不可以再去訂固定經費額度或比率保障 |
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用所謂的指定專管專用林局長跟我們報告這個分兩個層面如果就法治層面的部分的話這個分配辦法是在財政紀律法這個之前那也確實我之前在想說要是不是可以調高那找這個相關財政部跟組總他們是講說如果就法治層面來看的話 |
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現在要修正就必須要去遵從那個財政紀律法的規定所以原則上那個百分之十二這個要動好像是有違反財政紀律法的一個規定之餘那另外一個部分當時第二個層面是想說那現行六個項目可不可以來做這一個調整就是做這些很明把它明定做交通安全改善環境改善這個部分但是這裡面這個部分的話又會牽涉到地方政府我也跟委員報告因為 |
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這個錢在地方政府裡面各自應用的情況不一樣那我每次開會的時候地方政府出來如果是交通單位跟警政單位出來的意見就會有差異就是說 我也不反對這些錢留在地方但是你應該優先來做交通相關的改善 |
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對 這個我們相當同意但是地方政府他現在不受規範他只有99%的12%裡面拿來做交通相關的支出而已所以局長你要給部長了解這個狀況 |
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那部長他是同意調高嘛問題是你現在有相關法律的卡住喔所以我就說要跟委員們大家一起來合作你要找財政部找內政部大家來好好的討論要不然這個就目前為止看起來就真的是地方政府的小金庫啦確實是這樣對不對就顧寨宜贏啥啦你也不得不看啦而且你看他只有12%指定用在交通相關其他88%等於隨便地方顧寨宜贏啦 |
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這一點我認為有很多民怨可能也是因為從這裡而來他認為你那個用來改善交通的錢那麼少對不對 路線標示號誌路口改善當然你更容易造成違規嘛變成一個惡性循環好 我們主席先站起來感謝主席啦謝謝部長好 謝謝我們各位同仁 謝謝 |