| IVOD_ID |
166170 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166170 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T15:18:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T15:30:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:42 - 15:30:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會「國籍法」修法公聽會 |
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今天我們在這裡討論的是國籍法還是國民的參政權其實沒有那麼複雜請回歸中華民國憲法第二條第三條就很清楚中華民國憲法第二條中華民國之主權屬全體國民所有是國民不是人民第三條中華民國國民有中華民國國籍者為中華民國國民 |
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憲法裡面大概出現有些關於國民人民跟民族的描述當我們講人民的權利物的時候他包含了在中華民國領域當中不是本國的人民也同樣享有宗教自由也同樣享有一些我們憲法保障的基本人權但是你必須是國民某個程度上就是公民國民有依法納稅服兵役的義務依法依法 |
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但是外國人他在中華民國境內享有普遍的人權這不爭的事實所以我們回到當我們談中華民國人民的時候他在哪裡出現他在我們徵求條文的第11條第11條說自由地區與大陸地區間人民權利義務關係及其他事務另訂法律特別定律之人人民之間 |
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大陸地區跟自由地區這又有趣啦什麼時候中華民國分成大陸地區跟自由地區這條文他的前言寫為因應國家統一前之需要所以才會在第一條裡面很清楚的規定第一條規定什麼這條文中華民國最重要的主權表現在兩個地方第一個修改憲法第二個變更領土必須由自由地區的人民來行使 |
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自由地區的選舉人抱歉不是選人民是自由地區的選舉人表示什麼儘管在國家統一前 英國在統一前是需要當年的時空背景我們被迫把台灣有效的治權放回台澎金嘛我們稱之為自由地區其他的地區稱之為大陸地區但是大陸地區的人民享有中華民國的國家主權嗎沒有 |
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因為他不具備憲法第三條所說的具有中華民國國籍者為中華民國國民第二條講什麼講總統的選舉一樣是由自由地區的選舉人選舉產生再來我們看第四條立法委員立法委員由誰選舉產生這裡就比較有趣了他在第一款第二款第一款叫做直轄縣直轄市及縣市我們俗稱的區域立委 |
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第二項自由地區的直轄市及縣市第二項第二款他寫說自由地區的原住民包括3D原住民跟平地原住民第三部分區及僑居海外之國民僑居國外的國民也可以來選立委耶那怎麼回事呢 為什麼因為憲法徵銷條文第10條明白的寫著 |
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國家對於僑居國外國民之政治參與應予保障所以在中華民國地區有國籍的中華民國國民才享有國家的主權才得以選舉總統才得以選舉立法委員才得以變更領土才得以修憲這個跟其他的法律啊夏威法律他寫在這裡啊所以 |
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要談國計畫請先兩岸人民關係條例先回到我們憲法本文跟任意的條文兩岸人民關係條例規範的是什麼兩岸自由地區跟大陸地區間人民的權利義務能夠把大陸地區的人民可以來擁有中華民國國民享有中華民國的主權嗎沒有啊 |
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甚至連原來是中華民國國民因為僑居國外他因為在國內超過時間他失去了戶籍他戶籍牽扯到戶籍所在地連這樣的原來是中華民國國民因為僑居國外因為憲法徵銷權明白規定要保障他的參政權他才得以 |
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在總統大選前六個月反國回復戶籍對不起修正他必須在國外必須對於他反國投票必須循法律的規定他才能選總投票給總統請問僑居國外的僑民回來國內他可以投給立法委員嗎不行要依法律的規定他先必須恢復戶籍 |
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在都復席地停留滿四個月以上所以我們知道連原來中華民國國民僑居國外的人都受到這麼嚴格的規範所以當我們在這裡提出大陸地區的人民他要如何來行使中華民國的主權包括很明顯的參政權變更領土修憲選舉總統選舉立法委員當然要規定我在這裡不得不稍微批判一下花點時間這裡面我們有位我們前的局長說 |
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所謂的登記為公職候選人是什麼意思因為中華民國不僅是允許雙重國籍你人民可以雙重國籍但是你公職人員必須是單一國籍包括誰 包括僑民 |
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如果說所謂的僑選的部分區立法委員如果你是僑民你擁有僑居地的國籍你就算是列為部分區的立法委員你當選後一年內必須放棄台灣以外的國籍連僑民這麼明顯強烈的自由地區居住的原國民他僑居之後他回來他可以參選有沒有叫他參選前就放棄啊沒有啊 |
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我們要求當部分區僑選的立法委員要求這些立委先放棄他在僑居地的國籍嗎沒有因為他會不會當選不知道啊他排名在他的部分區名單如果他登記為部分區的名單他就要放棄僑居地的國籍那這是對他國家容許他保障雙重國籍的剝削同樣的大陸地區的人民他來到台灣之後他在取得台灣的國籍的同時 |
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他仍然可以保留對岸的護障對岸的國籍因為台灣是容許雙重國籍的所以容許你參選你必須10年以上 社福籍10年以上但是但是你落選了你還是維持你的雙重國籍啊這跟僑民是沒什麼兩樣的 |
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只是對於來自大陸地區的人民我們有兩個規定第一個要選擇擔任公職他參選要10年以上要擔任軍職人員要20年以上為什麼因為大陸地區目前是由敵對勢力所控制所以來自於大陸地區這個人民他在台灣他可以擁有雙重國籍但是他要擔任公職必須有戶籍10年以上才能參選沒當選你還是可以保留 |
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如果你要擔任軍職想要從軍擔任志願的軍人你必須涉及滿20年以上這個有規定有不得已嗎我們中華民國憲法第130條國民年滿20歲有選舉權年滿23歲有被選舉權這是一個普通規定特別規定規定什麼總統我們憲法第45條中華民國國民年滿40歲得選舉總統 |
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所以縱使是國民我們的選舉權也會有特別的規定所以當我們在國際法裡面對於規劃的國民外國人可以規劃為台灣的國民他規劃為國民他在規劃的時候已經放棄了雙通國籍了所以規劃的國民有沒有辦法參選公職可以呀可以呀 |
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但是你大陸地區的人民你取得台灣的戶籍跟身份證你有行規劃的時候的放棄國籍嗎沒有啊沒有啊先不談參政我們來談健保僑民過去在國內使用健保很普遍但是從今年開始抱歉過去你只要回來台灣 |
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你健保繳費滿半年以上你就可以使用健保現在是規定啊如果你簽出台灣戶籍簽出台灣你必須持續繳健保費你才能回到台灣來才能繼續使用健保如果你中間有斷掉對不起請你補齊了你才能參加健保健保跟民主制度都是台灣的驕傲連本國的僑民因為僑居海外他要回來使用健保都必須接受這樣的權利義務對等規定 |
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但是但是我們對大陸地區人民他取得台灣的戶籍之後他當然可以享受健保連他的家人依親也可以請問規劃的台灣的外國人規劃台灣的外國人他的外國的家人不具有台灣國籍的家人可以這樣子嗎不可以呀 |
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所以今天如果是我們的法律制度我們歧視大陸地區的人民這是絕對錯的因為我們對大陸地區人民之間的權利特別的權利義務關係李前總統說過台灣自由地區跟大陸地區是一個特殊的國與國關係 |
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國語國聽好啊所以他們是不是本國人是特殊的外國人而他這個特殊的外國人的身份優於其他普通的外國人所以當我們今天喊國際法談兩國人民關係條例請看清楚憲法第二條第三條以及憲法政協條文第十一條的規定憲法政協條文第一條第二條第四條都清楚的規定中華民國的主權屬於全體國民所有 |
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664.52 |
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有中華民國國籍者為中華民國國民選舉總統選舉立委變更領土修改憲法必須由自由地區的選舉人為之連僑民他要行使在台灣的參政權都必須循相關特殊法律的規定我們在這裡並沒有對不起來自大陸地區的人民我們歡迎他加入自由地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
665.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
673.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這是自由地區那邊不是不自由的地區你從不自由的地區來到自由地區我們歡迎你接受這裡的民主自由法治 |