| IVOD_ID |
166163 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166163 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T12:11:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T12:17:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d667395f7ec06f4eaec7cefddca96be5007a6b5dab7889431066bd7c4c758768765ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:10 - 12:17:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、行政院函請審議「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。八、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員蘇巧慧等22人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員翁曉玲等25人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員翁曉玲等24人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員李坤城等23人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第三十一條、第三十一條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。【第一案、第十七案至第十九案如經復議則不予審查；第二十案至第二十一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
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法務部市長 法務部好 市長我想今天又在這邊看到你們的打詐條例46 47條的修正案其實還是蠻難過的一年多前我們在這邊審過了以後法院不理你不理你必須還要開一個什麼最高法院的大法庭他們否決了我們的立法議職 |
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然後請你們提對岸又拖了大半年其實這個真的叫做姍姍來遲但是姍姍來遲總是要來的那今天這個這個法案我看到你們的確是有所改善因為犯罪所得的認定變成法院自己 |
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自由新政這是不對的因為對他們來說他們是用很傳統的法律解釋但是立法一直跟我們原來本來就要去規範的對象應該有很大的差別我想問你一下你跟司法院溝通好了沒溝通好了上一次在我們委員會審的時候司法院說沒看過你的版本現在看過了沒那一次的時間比較重出好今天司法院有來嗎我們請他們上來背書一下吧 |
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來加司法院上次說沒看過當場拿出來你們第一次看到然後讓我們立法委員覺得很詫異兩個院之間不聯絡坐在現場不回答我們去年通過的案子你們也在現場司法院回去也不跟刑事庭溝通現在溝通好了沒 |
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這個版本是我們在行政院會是有跟這個法務部已經有做一個溝通溝通那你們跟你們自己的刑事廳的法官們溝通好了沒我們除了這個所謂高額詐欺不要再發聲你們都溝通完了結果法院的法官從來不知道你們在溝通什麼除了43條以外這個部分可能還跟法務部這邊意見還有意見那你們來這邊幹嘛呢 |
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其他都一致46 47沒問題了犯罪所得沒問題了然後不會再發生法官判決跟立法意旨衝突的地方這個部分我們有在法官論壇上那有張貼然後對於法官有一些疑問我們也都有他們有表示意見的部分你們都已經釐清了 |
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好我希望這一次是最後一次一個法律送到立法院來司法院跟法務部溝通來了之後判決跟立法一直完全不同這不應該是一個負責任的行政單位尤其是司法院的廳長都在現場這不能再發生今天所有的人都講大家都聽到了再發生同樣的問題我想各位就要負責啦 |
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可以嗎市長你確定你都溝通完了你確定明年不會再發生什麼大法庭的解釋把立法院跟法務部的臉全部打一遍因為我剛才有聽到他們還有一點意見還有一點意見那就跑在立法院了這不是很扯嗎所以這個必須要由他們自己來說明來 什麼意見先再說不要回去再說你們另外有意見 |
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他們是對於那個43條我們是成績化是一百一千一億那他們對於這個一百萬他認為金額太低了就是因為一百萬他認為太低了等於是太低他這個是三年以上十年以下有期徒刑他是強制辯護的案子所以他變成說金額太低又強制辯護對法院來說很大的負擔法服的費用會暴增那司法院你怎麼辦你希望 |
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那現在是院版的版本送來這邊然後你們自己要不要先打一架呢我們是希望說不要說一次從五百萬降到一百萬幅度這麼大那如果說能夠再比一百萬再著雨提升的話那這樣會比較好所以這個已經不是我們立法院的事了是你們兩個院紀要協調好了我是今天才聽到因為這個是我們院版出來的看 又來了 |
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這就是我為什麼覺得很緊張這個法修完之後明天再也沒工了今天重點是你們在進立法院之前就應該搞定了 |
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進立法院之後在這邊尋答還有這種問題的話我很擔心這個法明天法院又有不同的意見這個法到時候又發生罕格怎麼辦我沒有什麼意見你們趕快自己去搞定我們還是希望委員能夠支持我們院版的我們支持你們嚴格版但是司法院覺得有這個問題你們是不是要去理清楚我沒有意見只要趕快修不要再拖了 |
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已經拖了大半年了大半年這就中間是空窗期所有的人車手只要說我只拿三千塊他交完三千塊就結束然後第二個上次我質詢的時候拿出來的是民間的這些詐騙集團這些成員拿出來說起訴書跟判決書就是他最好的履歷表他可以去下一個詐騙集團應徵而且會得到高位中華民國的法院判決竟然是他的履歷表 |
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如果我們還讓這些詐騙集團這麼輕重司法院你們100萬500萬我們沒有意見快做快就好了第二個如果真的是造成所謂強制辯護那你們要怎麼修正你們要提出修正意見而不是只是說我們覺得這樣很麻煩但是沒有自己的意見多久可以給我答案 |
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謝謝委員那這部分我們回去會跟這個我們的回去沒有時間了啦12月底以前至少這個法在我們修正要審查處理的時候這個答案要出來我們會提出一個相對應的這就請召委在排在排案審查的時候這種時候不應該還說我們還有意見浪費大家時間好嗎不要再浪費我們時間我已經等了兩年了謝謝 |
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謝謝 感謝黃珊珊 |