| IVOD_ID |
166157 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166157 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T11:21:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T11:30:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6ab751dc9484ba09dc7cefddca96be5007a6b5dab788943101a06a885b33e9f7b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:23 - 11:30:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議(事由:一、行政院函請審議「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。八、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員蘇巧慧等22人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員翁曉玲等25人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員翁曉玲等24人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員李坤城等23人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第三十一條、第三十一條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。【第一案、第十七案至第十九案如經復議則不予審查;第二十案至第二十一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
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謝謝主席 我們有請內政部長跟警政署長安家保定車署長委員好 |
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兩位高長 兩位好我想詐騙讓民眾相當的痛恨甚至造成許多家庭因為這樣家庭破碎依照我們現在法務部的統計地檢署電信網路詐騙 詐欺案件所偵查起訴人數車手人數逐年增加而且比例越來越高為什麼這樣 |
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主要這個關鍵就是因為我們的量行過低而且難以起到這個阻嚇的作用讓這些車手關不怕關不怕出來之後繼續在煩惱很多其中很多都是年輕人甚至有些是未成年的學生 |
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那我們根據目前詐欺犯罪危害防治條例第47條在減刑的條件當中法官認為詐騙車手的酬勞車馬費是犯罪所得但如果車手把酬勞車馬費繳回就符合這個減刑的條件另外根據今年5月14號最高法院的刑事大法庭裁定更主觀的認為說我們法律條件中的犯罪所得是詐欺行為人實際取得的個人 |
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犯罪酬勞其中不包括其他共犯或其所屬的犯罪組織那如果詐騙行為在這個過程中沒有實際取得個人所得僅需自白就可以符合減刑的條件這會造成什麼狀況就是說現在很多時候在法輪功的機構詐騙行為可以利用這個漏洞因為不斷的洗腦這些年輕人說你這裡的費用 |
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高得宜 可能是幾千塊的車 百分之幾萬塊的酬勞就可以獲得減刑嘛但問題是你這樣 用我們抓不到的電管人員 會被他搶走那詐騙案你後面牽扯這個不法利益可能是數百萬甚至數千萬幕後如神我們都抓不到然後最後都是車手在扛那現在這個法律的條件的體制底下車手又沒辦法重罰就像抓不到的警察 |
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官員不怕出來繼續做人數一直逐漸的持續的增加那第一線我們的這些警政人員的這個執勤這是披於本命那這一次的朝野立委提案都說要修正這個詐欺犯罪危害防治條例第四十七四十六條那其中有一個重點就是必須要先支付被害人的和解金才可以緩刑才可以申請減刑那這個修法是希望說減少我們法律的漏洞 |
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被鑽的這個機會那我們也可以危害我們被害人的權利那讓詐騙集團這些陳遠東必須要繳回被害人這個被騙的金額或者是跟被害人和解 |
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才可以申請這個減免這個刑期我想這樣才可以真正讓被害人得到彌補也能夠那因此本市這邊也我絕對只是這樣想一定要針對詐騙要加重刑責然後也減少這個專法律漏洞的機會讓執法人員有更多的武器來有效的阻嚇這些犯罪的集團那也避免說你看我們這幾年打仗越打越多那執法人員就疲於本命越做越辛苦 |
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那考個該有寒喔那接下來本縣要提案第一算執法人員來請命特別就是我們的刑警的部分喔書長我們典改來政 委員會選 接審會的書長齁就是有關刑事加級的部分書長您說4月的時候會給承諾嘛齁那會在3個月來 |
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會提出我們刑事加急的這個方案後來都沒有消息那今年十一月中的時候我就在也是在內政委會我們就是也是問我們的副署長那副署長答應我說會在十一月底的時候提出相關報告結果你報告只有一條線就是告訴我們說會跟相關機關溝通來徵詢意見說到背就是都沒有進度嘛所以本身在這裡要很嚴肅把我們經濟事務來 |
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講這個事情 這是第二度跳票很多基層的刑事人員都在等我們行政我們警政署的這個 |
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所以這個對他們來講是很大的士氣的打擊那這幾年其實署長也很清楚知道刑事警察出現非常大的人力荒 |
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這樣進行之下我們不就照顧現有的這家鄉受影響我們新進同仁也不進來那未來是不是會造成整個人情勢人員的大短缺齁這個部分我要請署長具體的回答說到底咱警政署 |
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所研擬的這個具體方案是什麼到底什麼時候才有答案謝謝委員就是刑事人員真的是工作是非常的辛苦那我們也會針對就是整個不是只有刑事人員包括就是直轄市或各縣市政府警察局對他們的這個繁重加急或者是刑事人員做多做 |
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全班的一個考量那我們就是會跟我們的這個相關的縣市的一個政府來先做有一些是給付要縣市政府來做一個給付這部分就是在在溝通溝通完之後我們會形成這個政策啦那我們持續在進行當中 |
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所以今年我們有答案嗎 還是之前的行事觀我們盡量時間 盡量來提早來做規劃蘇長你現在蓋城城進的總計劃因為我們進就是說大概我們的公文也給各縣市這個政府來提供這樣的相關的意見等資訊回來之後我們再做統籌的一個比較明確的一個規劃 |
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謝謝署長 署長還是再次強調就是這件事情其實我們已經預測到未來人力短缺的情況然後再加上現在這些制度還沒有明確的話如果我們不趕快解決真的等到哪天人力短缺亮紅燈的時候那時候來擁抱都來不及謝謝 我們會盡快來做一個處理署長 我要 部長部長可不可以也責任警政署在今年年底 今年年底 |
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完成刑事加急的調整的具體方案也提供給本市辦公室報告委員其實我們對於警察自己本身的權益我們都非常努力來爭取那大概有幾個方向第一個就是深夜圍牢加急的部分謝謝我們立委支持我們現在已經把公文呈上去了這是一個 |
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另外一個就是說非六都的這個警情加急的部分現在已經有新竹縣他願意朝著加成 繁重加成處理那再來就是你所說的就跟刑事警察自己本身有關的部分那我們也會把它列為是爭取的方向那這個爭取的方向你說今年年底 現在已經年底了現在12月了市長 報告部長 |
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我們在四月的時候就說要給答案四月份的時候規劃的方向我們都知道但是就是要爭取的時候呢也是要跟地方政府溝通啦那地方政府溝通的話就是過半數的時候我們就會把這個溝通的方案再往上層然後來做爭取 |
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這個部分大概是三個方向 因為基層會覺得說署裡面都 我覺得你這樣說不公平啦我當然 但在署裡頭的現場 當然要放基層爭取權益啊 他會覺得說我們的工作量越來越多 考核跟評比那樣多他的工作量其實在增加 其實我想署裡面都很清楚知道基層的狀況我了解 但是我們在 我剛剛跟你講說我們爭取的方向是三軌在並行的 |
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規劃我們當然這樣規劃可是你地方政府他如果願意很快的同意我們的方向的話那我們再往那個行政單位局那部長你覺得什麼時間來可以給我們答案因為基層都需要等到這個答案 |
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我們裡面有兩項已經往上呈報了那比較沒有太大困難那刑事的部分因為真的是牽涉到很多幫我們基層弟兄打打氣我說真的啦我們何止打氣我們本來就是要鼓勵他們而且我們是站在同一個線上在打擊犯罪的人怎麼會是用這樣的那個我們太初是非常積極的也可以透過這些質詢讓基層的這些刑事警察知道說我們署裡面真的有心想要解決這件事情 |
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實際上其實你了解我們現在講的意思了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 了解 |
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報告委員我想你會了解包括我們警政署跟我們內政部都是做時事的人我想不要虛隱故事那我的意思就跟你講就是說我們在地方政府在爭取上面如果有過半數的地方政府有同意這樣的話那我們往上呈報會比較容易那你如果沒有的話確實會很困難因為你自己也當過行政官員那所以我們就盡量來爭取有的話一定會很快就讓立法院的這個委員來了解 |
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就拜託部長跟署長這邊因為本席是接到基層行政委員一直在反映這件事情我們今天來解決這個問題 大家一起加油謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝 |