| IVOD_ID |
166129 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166129 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T11:08:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T11:18:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6ef6d41d20772122b4cd0246cdf0bd28ba14720b4e10c82cbccb487e2fda4bc7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:44 - 11:18:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
本院委員林宜瑾等22人、委員劉建國等16人、委員徐巧芯等17人、委員李坤城等22人、委員廖先翔等19人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員羅廷瑋等18人、委員郭昱晴等16人、委員林思銘等18人、委員洪孟楷等16人、蘇巧慧等17人、委員吳琪銘等17人、委員陳亭妃等16人分別擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員張智倫等16人、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修正草案」、委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三十條條文修正草案」、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員楊瓊瓔等21人、委員張宏陸等17人、委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員郭昱晴等21人分別擬具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」、委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第六條之二條文修正草案」、委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「動物保護法第三十二條條文修正草案」、委員羅智強等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十三條條文修正草案」以及委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二及第三十三條之二條文修正草案」、本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「動物保護法第三條及第五條條文修正草案」及本院委員邱若華等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二、第三十三條之二及第三十三條之三條文修正草案」
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我們請邱志偉委員請做詢答 謝謝我們再請杜次長 |
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上個月18號到東京跟農林水產省相關的官員做了大概三個半小時的討論就是要慎時殘渣相關的處理經驗日本做得很好有兩個方向就是家戶要減量 |
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第二个就是事业的部分事业端包括食品工厂餐饮团散这些他们的这个分类来源非常明确由这个专业的处理业者统一回收处理变成ecofit所以从加货端 |
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從事業端分別去處理我們去年50萬噸的的加護廚餘大概4成是經過這個養豬所以未來如果用廚餘禁止養豬的時候我們這個加護廚餘的產生一定要減量要除以減量這個在日本幾乎家家戶戶都有這個加護廚餘乾燥機 |
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過去某些縣市有一些縣市也有做一些補助所以我應該要推廣第一個你這個食物不要浪費另外就是廚餘的處理要用比較現代化的體系要納入所謂的防疫的體系來 |
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如果你們跟這個環境部來推動就是說家戶除以乾燥機除以你乾燥之後就變成一般的廢棄物你就可以用焚化的方式來處理所以如果每一戶家家戶戶都有家戶除於乾燥機 |
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那你要透過補助政府的推廣或者政策上的支持就像我們節能補助一樣冷氣這些節能設備補助一樣所以我建議說農業部跟環境部可以去研究針對家戶廚餘乾燥機提出一個補助的計畫讓家戶的廚餘乾燥機深入每一個家庭 |
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所以從加護端來看這個有效減少這個加護廚藝的產生這個次長您的看法好 謝謝委員帶回來第一線在日本看到就有關於怎麼去做e-coffee的這個回來有 還有跟你們報告嗎他其實也是學習很多謝謝委員這次讓我們同仁也一起去 |
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那除了這個之外其實剛剛委員提到就是家戶廚餘確實是很重要你要能夠在源頭減少的話後端再處理包括我們清潔隊也好我們的那個環保人員也好其實相對壓力都會少很多所以不管是在把它乾燥化或者是鐵位這是怎麼把它處理掉我想這個應該都可以讓環境部有很好的一個參考的一個方向我想我記得大家可能也知道等於裝在一邊東西 |
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就像經濟部他推動節能節能電器嘛 類似那樣子我們在環境部說這是一個方向希望家家戶戶自己如果能夠減少的話後端的區劃相對壓力就會少日本的經驗做得很好所以你看我們這個邊境的管制日本沒有邊境管制 |
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好像我们现在这个要入境的时候我们不是都还有安检你这个索尼西你还在安检一次日本没有嘛对不对因为他们的事业端啊事业端的他们用这ecofit我要跟那个工型大学的川岛教授也线上做一些讨论我们那天花了三个半小时 |
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很深入的針對他們目前的包括法律面這個政策面 執行面分成家戶端跟這個事業端來處理所以日本的經驗值得我們學習 |
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所以未來這個Ecofit你們有沒有什麼比較具體的想法這也是一個方向但是前端並不是把現在所有的廚餘都可以拿去做飼料因為前端還是要有一些分類那有些確實可以進到像剩食 廢食 過期食品這些特定的東西才能去做飼料的話這是第一個那第二個是目前其實國內並沒有這樣子的設備所以我們就農業部來講 |
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如果要把這些廚餘再轉換成這個飼料完整配方清除的這些可以再用的飼料這個我想我們會來試試你去跟日本做一些交流學習我們駐日有農業組有有有農業組第一線去學習他們他們已經推廣二十幾年了我們有兩個董事在那裡我知道我知道 我很熟所以我還專程跑去東京這個談了三個多小時事前準備功課 |
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所以这部分也有帮助一个重要的政策来推动谢谢委员提醒 谢谢不是提醒这本来就你们不是我提醒之后你们才去做你们本来就应该去赶快去执行拟定一个计划从加货端怎么去减量从这个事业端怎么样去变成ecofit这日本都已经很完整的体系这个我觉得我们没有办法创新没有办法有独特的这个做法那我们去学习其他国家这个成功的经验嘛 |
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我希望這個盡快半年之內提出一個完整的一個計畫從加護端 好好那加護端的部分我們會轉給那個環境部因為那個教練補助這一塊會在中央災害應變中心裡面處理中央災害應變中心非洲中央的中央災害應變中心我也跟左院長建議啦這個要跨部你們要開一個會議協調因為這個出於 |
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不見得是要編列預算在你們這個農業部也可能要環境部一起合作但是一定要有一個完整的計劃出來好 謝謝委員另外這個所謂流浪 流浪犬的這個部分荷蘭荷蘭已經這個基本上已經做到了荷蘭經驗市長您了解嗎 |
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报告委员那个先进国家的经验大概都是在所谓的源头上去做一些管理然后加上我们没有办法做到就是源头管理失灵没有彻底那别的其他国家荷兰成功为什么因为就在源头管理做得好所以你了解问题但是你要提出解决问题的做法你要怎么样做好源头管理这个市长 |
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市長是源頭管理真的很重要因為要從那邊減少的時候才會有可能把這個遊蕩犬的數量控制下來你看2019開始就有遊蕩犬管理精進措施計畫執行了6年了2019開始已經執行了6年了但是還是有民眾支持 |
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所以你比較這個非都會區你會看到都會區大概不太可能太多的流浪犬非都會區你要去城跑你要去這個見走散步你都要提醒吊膽有些區域有些樂區所以我建議說這個部分園童管理你要提出更有效的方法那個可能是不是市長說明一下 |
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那个跟委员报告源头管理大概有三个部分第一个就是那个宠物登记的部分第二个是那个繁殖的商业的那个管理第三个一个部分就是要求事主责任那这部分已经配套相关的一个刑责跟执法的量能去强化这一块事主的责任当然是很重要你必须要强化事主的责任嘛所以源头管理能够做得好就是要强化事主的责任嘛 |
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所以你了解問題在提出更精進的做法另外就是說未來財政收支發放法修法之後啊從明年度開始這個動保相關的計劃經費會全部移撥地方嗎那個報告委員目前的一個處理是這樣的一個方式全部一撥個地方那地方如果財源不足呢那你這個相關的經費就沒有啦就少一半啊 |
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這個有 有沒有什麼解決方法這一個部分 那個報告部裡面跟部長都非常重視問題也在看 跟主計談看有沒有什麼樣的一個方式去做一個處理你那個凍保業務啊 具有全國一致性的特性那你現在變成地方自己去執行這個 第一個 地方的政府的這個產生狀況這個各縣市不一樣它執行能量 效率 效果也會不同 |
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而且長期性的政策推動也會受到影響所以這怎麼辦呢 市長你不能沉默以對啊我們再看一看 因為其實就是其實財化法之後老實講中央的預算狀況其實是有些減少我們盡量來想辦法對於需要協助的因為臨時提案比較有拘束力像臨時提案就是 |
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希望你們一個月之內就提出具體做法不是你們回去想想看而已啊我也可以臨時提案或者在約會再提案叫你們一個月提出一個詳細的計畫這樣你們才有壓力你們壓力才有動力啊你跟我說你要回去想想看那回去想想看是你要想多久我也沒辦法約束你對不對 |
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那很多事情這個短短時間沒辦法說明很清楚但是我作為最後的決定就是說這個我剛剛說的廚藝的部分一定要跟環境部立即有一個完整的計畫另外你針對這個採訪好修法之後你這個動保相關經費你要移破地方這個困境如何解決裡面要有完整的一個solution好好謝謝好非常感謝 |