| IVOD_ID |
166124 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166124 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T10:58:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T11:07:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6adb2b4145838d73482f8c8e0c6b9e8aea14720b4e10c82cba2a4a6212d4cdfaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:11 - 11:07:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告「美中領導人再次電話通聯後對國際秩序及區域情勢之發展」，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請外交部長謝謝請林部長 |
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部長好 委員好先跟你講一個你聽起來應該會很高興的消息因為你們外交部次長吳志忠在接受媒體訪問的時候他說林佳龍是歷任三位外交部長最花心力在邦交國的部長所以非常有信心我們現在邦交國都不會變但反過來講就是前兩位就不怎麼樣我去看了一下你的前任是誰 |
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是吳釗燮吳釗燮前面是李大偉吳釗燮他就是當了六年斷交八個國家原來是因為他沒有像你這麼把心力放在邦交國所以我不知道說是不是如果他跟你一樣這麼用心在邦交國上面台灣就不會斷交這麼多國家你覺得勒 |
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這是事後的觀點嘛我想每一個當下我們的外交部長都希望維持邦交至少有一個主觀的評論是說他沒有像你這麼把心力放在邦交國啦可能他比較放在非邦交國啦但是部長你覺得邦交國重不重要很重要那為什麼吳昭介他斷交八個國家還可以繼續做六年 |
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我是不太知道我們現在國家的外交政策到底怎麼樣斷交也沒什麼關係我們有榮邦計畫不只是要固邦還要甚至拓邦不然你很厚道你非常厚道不願意所以雖然外面傳得沸沸揚揚但你都不願意對吳釗燮的批評但是次長就講了實話啦次長講的實話我講這樣是因為我覺得邦交我認為是重要的現在不是說只是把邦交國守住而已我們還要拓展 |
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那現在洪都拉斯到底我們現在我們國家有希望去跟洪都拉斯建交嗎有希望嗎因為兩位現在領先的總統候選人都公開的表達他如果當選總統要跟台灣對付邦交所以我們希不希望 |
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我們希望我們希望嘛有學者講說宏都拉斯其實是在等台灣提出條件啊你們有掌握到這樣的訊息嗎就是他在等我們提條件我們也有準備條件還是怎麼樣還是我想是基於平等互惠的原則來發展兩國的關係因為他也是有比較嘛因為以前跟我們有邦交的時候跟現在中國跟他答應了都跳票 |
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那這個他這個為什麼他的選舉這個是多數民意支持我知道我現在問我們外交部的態度啦因為有學者講說有外交學者講說他們在等我們開條件所以我們也會希望說用什麼方式跟他們接觸把他們拉攏過來我們一定是基於就是說對他有幫助對我們有幫助嘛我知道部長我們現在有沒有準備要去跟他們接觸嘛因為有外交學者在說已經準備了是不是 |
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一直都在準備中一直都在接觸中接觸中一直都在接觸中然後今天我看到外交部發言人在媒體報導很酸很酸說哎呀這個紅國經貿失衡都是因為這個中國大陸沒有善意沒有履行承諾還導致這個狀況很慘我是在想說外交部講這種話適合嗎我覺得一般人是可以但外交部你畢竟 |
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說這種風涼話然後去去這個酸你可能想要爭取的邦交國這樣妥當嘛好像義父就你活該啊誰要你跟我斷交活該現在吃到苦頭了吧蝦子也賣不出去啊我們看到那個自由時報常報導嘛白蝦都賣不出去嘛還有經濟很慘啊但是由外交部的發言人代表中華民國政府去酸洪國說你活該啊做出錯誤判斷這樣適合嗎部長你覺得 |
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我們過去跟邦交國網特別是紅豆大師我們的台灣經驗跟模式現在讓他們很懷念啦相對中共的一帶一路不只是白瞎他給人家請消我知道你要講什麼啦產業都我知道 我也認同好不好 我也認同就是說我們國家做得很好那中國大陸沒有做好但是由我們的外交部來講說你們活該啦沒有吧 |
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大概就是這個意思啊那是你的解讀啊沒有... 媒體報的喔媒體報那如果你覺得不對你要澄清喔因為你用那兩個字我是沒有聽過啦媒體用很酸喔然後後面提到紅國經貿失衡是因為中國都沒有履行承諾意思就是你現在那麼慘這個話很客觀啊 |
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失衡就是因為中共大量的傾銷把他整個經濟都打垮了沒有啦 你現在要去跟人家建交我剛剛講了嘛 你也想去建交嘛然後在建交的時候都說你看 你就是因為當初沒有跟我們斷交啊然後你以為他會對你好 他也沒對你好啊這是他們總統候選人講的 |
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不是啦這個人家自己可以講嘛我們適合講嗎我們適合講嗎你現在要去跟他建交你想要跟他建交準備要跟他建交然後還要先酸他一下你活該喔還是我比較好回來吧我覺得外交如果我們是要善意的這種情樂的話少講一點情樂的話少講一點我覺得委員剛剛講的還滿持平的那句話說什麼失衡啊然後沒有履行承諾這個 |
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我覺得我們自己可以講啦但外交部你是代表國家要去跟他們建交嘛我覺得這一種去酸你想要潛在結交的對象我是覺得有待商榷啦我是同意啦我們跟對方是怎麼樣互惠共榮我們現在也戰狼外交就對那些曾經離開過我們像洪蘇拉這種 |
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我覺得也沒必要這樣啦台灣還是友善然後是一個和親然後跟大家交朋友的國家啦不要用這種方式啦台灣是一個良善的力量愛好和平的民族啦所以我覺得這種酸話少講一點啦然後再來就是當然除了邦交國之外大家也是很關心美國的關係嘛 |
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那部長你有沒有覺得川普上任之後對台灣確實跟拜登時期是有差我就講一個比如說美國1961年那個時候有一個總統撥款權嘛可以不用經過國會同意就直接可以援助嘛軍援之類的 |
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本來台灣沒有但2022年的時候拜登就把它納入在2023到2024的時候就有宣布19筆軍援甚至軍購可是川普上任之後像有4億美元的軍援就被否決了免費的就被否決了 |
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那美國政府 川普為什麼跟拜登會有這樣落差這個是在你的任內我剛剛肯定你對於幫交國很努力可是好像在對美關係上面就比較差那到底是為什麼其實如果你現在來看川普第二任的第一年他也對台軍售了 |
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然後也簽署了就是台灣保證旅行法案外面有一些過去的這些不確定性我覺得現在也都確定下來免費軍援的部分免費軍援的部分把它取消因為那個是拜登總統任內他當然是用軍援的方式也列入但是你剛剛講的包括有一些這個項目現在也並沒有說否決只是說他的輕重緩急 |
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就否決啦 現在就否決啦那個其實是先前的項目在進行中我覺得不用自我感覺良好啦因為剛剛賴斯堡委員也有講到說外媒有報導說這個中共為什麼會提出一個類似的台灣方案出來 |
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那我覺得當然那個您剛也說那是無稽之談對可能是無稽之談不是我說的是國安局長說的我沒有問到OK好國安局長說的但為什麼大家會這樣覺得呢就是因為川普任內確實跟之前美國政府都做法不一樣而且是對我們朝向比較不利的方向那如果我們還是一直自我感覺良好的話大家會擔心說會不會跟烏克蘭一樣就是最後會被川普要求去簽那個和平什麼二十幾點計畫 |
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所以這部分我覺得大家要務實面對啦務實面對對印太的重視是有過之而不及然後希望責任分擔也不是針對台灣日本韓國都是一樣你現在講的都是你的主觀看法我剛剛舉了很多客觀事實嘛我剛剛也舉了很多客觀事實啦所以各項都要評估啦好謝謝 |