| IVOD_ID |
166119 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166119 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T10:10:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T10:21:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6e97e364f4596120dc7cefddca96be500a14720b4e10c82cb7439805f15628b065ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:55 - 10:21:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、行政院函請審議「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。八、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員蘇巧慧等22人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員翁曉玲等25人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員翁曉玲等24人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員李坤城等23人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第三十一條、第三十一條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。【第一案、第十七案至第十九案如經復議則不予審查；第二十案至第二十一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
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我請先請這個內政部長跟抒發部副署長加劉部長加抒發部副署長委員好這個這個抒發部我先請問一下 |
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現在很多AI甲的影片這個詐騙已經不只是騙錢了也騙國人的健康了這個裡面用很多名人或什麼的這樣子然後包括這個不到賣藥但是就有很多什麼健康什麼的這個那你們有沒有注意到這些情況報告委員有的是有有什麼處置 |
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针对这个部分来讲的话我刚刚其实提到说我们有AI的这个 |
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技術來做這個自動巡檢然後如果我們有發現的時候會先請這個衛福部幫我們確認說這個是不是詐騙的這個廣告然後比如說他是詐騙的醫生或者詐騙的這個藥事相關的違反相用法令的規範的時候呢就會要求我們的網路廣告平台業者去下架並且把這樣子的一個樣態請網路廣告平台業者自動自行的去做巡檢下架那你們下架了多少 |
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有要求下架了多少?有沒有要求下架成功過?我們目前來講已經要求下架有超過23萬則的詐騙廣告但是我沒有辦法去區分說是醫療或者是投資上我覺得啦 |
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很多的數位平台或什麼這些政府不是沒有公權力去對付它只是政府的公權力沒有明顯的展現我真的覺得這個部分速發部還有各個相關的你們要拿出鐵腕政策不然我們再怎麼修法再怎麼樣你們不執行也沒有用 |
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因為我們很認真在執行我跟你講你們很認真執行是你們自我感覺良好啦民眾沒有感覺你們很多啦我必須要這樣子講我們繼續努力那我為什麼會請這個劉部長部長你們會不會擔心啦 |
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有一天我們現在都在宣傳反詐騙有一天可能我們警政相關單位的人也會被用AI去製造假影片用反詐騙 |
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的這個用反詐騙去變成真詐騙你們會不會擔心擔心是不太能夠把事情處理好我們知道一定有這個方向那因為我們現在有在加強那個科技偵查的部分AI如果有這種反反詐騙的這個訊息影片出來的話我們的科技偵查會先抓出來這個要點然後要做處理 |
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部長 這個用反詐騙去偵查騙他的樣態是會有非常多會有非常多的那我覺得我們現在包括警政署包括什麼他現在這個廣告用實例的我一直稱讚覺得很好 |
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我覺得這個部分我們也可以先打預防針錢都在那邊了我們有這些廣告的投放量部長你覺得有沒有需要先打預防針要先跟所有的民眾講只要有冒充警政高層甚至部長的這一種的 |
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如果他用反詐騙的然後去行徵詐騙的要先提醒民眾要預防你覺得有沒有必要謝謝委員的關心我想委員非常清楚我們以前這個打詐釋法還沒出來之前很多人是冒用名人 |
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名人推荐投资现在还有现在还有很多但是这个部分在我们的这个打诈司法过了以后其实我们就是捡紧掉一起来努力那未来如果AI包括说您提到了也许有声位这影片也会出来的话我们也会提前来预防 |
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先講說不太可能就好像說最近我也看到就是這個台積電的這個創辦人張忠謀先生他也對外講說他從來不會有臉書這樣一句話就已經把所有的這些所謂的詐騙用他的名字要來做這個詐騙的行為的話 |
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就講完了但是大家都知道這個道高一尺謀高一丈還是會有人繼續做所以我們在網路的巡檢上面的我們的警政系統其實是非常認真在巡檢希望能夠把假的訊息或者是這種詐騙的這個影片能夠及早把它下架 |
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那部長你們警政署有推一個民眾檢舉車手獎勵有這個政策那有沒有想過民眾如果檢舉像這種AI詐騙或什麼這種的 |
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要不要也給民眾一些獎勵那要立法院支持這個獎勵金要拜託立法院支持因為我們現在獎勵金額是很多企業集團在捐款的那目前獎勵的金額大概會有一定程度啦 |
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武藤先生你要獎勵五萬塊有人願意檢舉那獎勵五千塊大概不會有人要檢舉啦所以我們會來討論我覺得可以討論我覺得像不一樣我覺得可能如果真的要全民防詐啊你們有好的政策我們立法院一定支持啊對不對尤其是預算麻煩一下一定支持啊好齁那再來啦齁這個啊我可能請警政署長 |
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那個署長我發現有越來越多這種詐騙集團他不管是車手不管或人頭或什麼的他開始找很多弱勢 聾啞人士街友什麼的這些當人頭 |
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你們有沒有發現這個問題有 我們對於這個詐騙集團他找的車手他就是不斷在演變我們有發現到這些會對這個弱勢的那我想就是對於弱勢的這些的狀況我們大概就是當然就是從源頭也要是去做對於他們這一些的社福的這個團體或者就去這方面的一個加強的宣導這第一個那第二個我們當然要去做 |
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這個都是你講的方法你們實際做了多少 |
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我想這個部分我再做細緻的統計車手的這個部分到目前為止就是114年大概有朝有353人這樣的一個狀況那有關弱勢的部分我們可能就是會後看是不是把它分析出來再提供給委員 |
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我問你這個我不是要求數據署長有一個問題我認為你現在要及早處理他除了我剛講的什麼芒芽人是什麼什麼這些之外他們已經把手伸到低收入戶去了 |
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尤其很多低收入戶可能是年紀很大或什麼不知道他用另外一個他也是有可能去詐騙他而取得他的人頭帳戶他也不是本身願意的那如果低收入戶變這樣子我跟你講他有可能他的銀行被凍結被什麼他連補助比什麼他都領不到喔這個是未來我認為會很嚴重的問題喔 |
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所以署長我認為這個你們要及早處理你們要跟所有社福黨或什麼你們要及早去處理這個問題不然你會衍生出非常多的社會問題署長你我們有發現就是這些弱勢的就是他有可能是被愛人 |
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也可能就是不是啦這個都知道嘛你們現在有什麼具體的做法我想我的做法就是會從這一個我們的他的主政單位去了解他整個的狀況就是他的社福團體或者是他的就業服務的這個主管機關我們來就圓妥的去做去做這樣的一個宣導這種情形再來就是當然就是要偵查嘛 |
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就是兩個部分一個從源頭來處理一個就是從偵查來做一個處理署長我覺得你剛剛的這個回答你已經了解了問題但聽不出來有什麼具體的作為 |
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我覺得啦你已經發現了這個問題你跟社政跟其他單位什麼源頭什麼的我覺得我們要跟全國人講我們政府的具體作為是什麼我覺得這樣人家才有一個依循嘛對不對這不是說你現在就馬上要怎麼樣我覺得給你三個月的時間你們去研究 |
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看要去如何處理你也可以跟社政單位你只要每個月要來領錢要來什麼的我就給你一個單子前幾個我就給你一個單子現在有什麼絕對不要怎麼樣甚至在銀行發錢的或什麼你上面就給他寫我覺得有很多方式我覺得給你們時間你們去研究看看 |
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好 謝謝 |