| IVOD_ID |
166115 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166115 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T09:28:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T09:36:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6680989fd2d3f451ac7cefddca96be500a14720b4e10c82cbeedc1de391cb15195ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:28:38 - 09:36:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、行政院函請審議「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員王定宇等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第五十四條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員廖先翔等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員張宏陸等30人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員王義川等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員陳素月等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。八、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員蘇巧慧等22人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員翁曉玲等25人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員翁曉玲等24人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員李坤城等23人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員羅智強等19人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第四十三條條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例第三十一條、第三十一條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。【第一案、第十七案至第十九案如經復議則不予審查；第二十案至第二十一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
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我先請刑事局長還有蘇發部產業署副署長副署長蘇發部好謝謝 |
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謝謝副署長那個周局長你聽一下你參考一下接下來我要對副署長所提出來的這一些內容副署長請問一下我們速發部有沒有做統計台灣的詐騙在網路裡面詐騙最多來自哪一個公司如果說刊登網路廣告平台的部分的話我們最多看到刊登最多是在Meta |
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Meta大概有多少的比例是来自Meta这些如果依照我们目前每周在做的统计Meta大概90几%90几%是吓死人那我们有什么相关的这些可以约束Meta针对他的这些广告商等等的这些有什么样的财阀我们目前有没有对广告商的财阀吗我们目前有没有对于这个平台 |
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他已經造成這麼多的詐騙廣告在他平台上面流通那我們針對這個平台或者是對這些廣告我們有什麼約制或裁罰的能力 |
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好的 我們謝謝那個我們的打炸專法去年的一個通過所以呢 我們有幸可以請這個網路廣告平台業他們能夠被我們納管以後在台灣他能夠設立法律代表人然後讓我們的文件收送能夠有一個有沒有裁罰 有沒有裁罰他的能力有的 我們其實事實上在這將近一年的過程當中其實事實上已經剛剛部長報告我們已經裁罰了1850萬元 |
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好来我跟你讲一下来那个副市长在美国以及在这个欧洲那其实他裁罚的数量金额其实远远高于我们比如说在美国他美国政府裁罚Meta因为诈骗广告就罚了10亿美元一年就罚了10亿美元那欧洲呢他这个数位服务法里面 |
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它規範的這個罰則裡面是包含它全球總營收的6%如果說Meta在全球賺了1000億美金好了它是可以罰它60億美金的 |
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所以來 副市長我希望你可以研議一下如果這個平台的廣告繼續還是這樣子的話那我們有什麼手段可以讓這個平台害怕因為畢竟我們是比較晚一點我講一個紀錄片給你參考一下在劍橋各自風暴裡面的David Carlos這一個劍橋大學的教授他針對Meta提出一個控告他要控告Meta到底 |
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大數據裡面到底有多少他個人的資料那Meta到現在還是沒有辦法提出來但是在歐洲整個歐盟政府他產出了什麼 他產出了數位服務法 他產出了一般資料保護規範他約束了Meta在使用個人個資上的所有的這些行為那但是在台灣有沒有辦法約束到這些你有沒有辦法跟國人說 |
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你在点选这一些可能某一些商品或者是你的兴趣的时候Meta随之而来的就是大量的这些广告当你点选这些可能投资资讯的时候 |
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他伴隨帶來的這些廣告對於所有的用戶有沒有這些防止詐騙的這些功能我們有沒有辦法約束到他們這一些其實這些就是很多都是投資詐騙就是從這裡來的嘛那所以說 |
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我覺得我們離進步的歐盟還有美國對於這些網路安全防止詐騙的這些手段來講我們還離很遠但是我們要不要持續的來做這才是我們要做的刑事局站在你旁邊的刑事局都是跟著在後面捕破網最後就是一句話 |
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這是來自Meta的廣告或者是來自這些平台的這些不實的內容造成這些詐騙的結果不是說台灣詐騙天堂是我們有沒有能力再規範這些廣告這些不實廣告這些詐騙簡訊的這些手段 |
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是謝謝委員給我說明的機會喔那呃事實上在這一年來我們跟meta這邊我們其實從好幾個面向來做一個處理喔不是meta我想呃我們納管的90%的你先處理了其他的好 |
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而針對Meta這個部分來講呢其實我們在科技技術上面來講的話呢也有一起來做努力包括說我們自己有發展這個AI的一個巡檢的技術當我們巡檢到相關的一個這個詐騙的廣告的時候要求Meta下架之外我們要求他把我們的這樣的一個詐騙的樣態作為他們自己在做AI演算的時候呢可以去事先的去做一個巡檢去下架事實上這樣的一個詐騙 |
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那你有沒有這個你剛講的很好我也希望你有已經有實際上他已經下架的這些數據有多少呢根據我們跟他們的了解過去他們大概在這一年下架的這個件數大概超過430萬則你認為這是正確的嗎我另外舉一個例子給你聽路透社的報導說 |
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Meta最少有10%的營收也就是台幣可能接近5000億是來自平台上投放詐騙廣告的收入那還是Meta到現在到目前為止他還是沒有辦法提供相關的數據如同Meta針對這個劍橋大學的這個教授的指控他到最後還是沒有辦法提出 |
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他到底有多少這個教授的個人資料他到底收集了多少數據也就是說他其實還是不會跟政府老老實實的說明他到底有多少這些詐騙廣告的收入或者是我們要有更多的武器才可以針對他我想這個是我們要繼續跟Meta來研究的地方要繼續做這些網路控管的地方 |
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好的我們其實一直都有跟他們加強的聯繫不夠啦不夠啦我們會再努力請局長局長現在剛剛這個也講的這個副署長也講得很清楚大部分來自Meta的這些詐騙訊息或者是這個平台的這些不實的廣告啦那警政署其實我上次跟你質詢的內容裡面也包含這些地下的 |
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地下的這個放貸的組織他們其實一個集團扮演的多個角色對同樣一組人做大量的資訊的借款的資訊的投放那有ABCDE分別這樣子同一個集團可以讓一個人分別簽了四五十張簽了四五十張的這個本票那其實這些源頭你也知道但是後續的這些協助被害人的這些行為也希望刑事局這邊還可以繼續加強 |
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這個沒有問題我們對這些呢就是一連串的這些詐騙行為包括就是後續的這些不管是抵押不動產或者是去解除這個受刑的這個定存的部分我們都會做全力的來查緝包括你剛剛委員所提的這些詐騙集團後續的這個地下錢狀這個部分我們都全力來查緝的好謝謝辛苦謝謝謝謝感謝 |