| IVOD_ID |
166110 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166110 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T10:49:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T10:57:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d60905a43719b3f6b582f8c8e0c6b9e8ae7be3e8fe055fbc13fa5ec6075ae9718d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:49:27 - 10:57:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告「美中領導人再次電話通聯後對國際秩序及區域情勢之發展」，並備質詢。） |
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國安局蔡局長還有外交部林部長一起好請蔡局長林部長先請教林部長或者蔡局長回答可以的我們現在賴總統提出1.25兆的軍購案可以不可以換得賴總統過境美國 |
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這個是兩件事情啊當然是一件事情 這不是兩件事情有關係啦 你要認真這當然是台美的關係都是很穩定中在發展可是賴總統到現在為止今年就沒有啊沒辦法去過境美國啊這很大的事情對外交部很大的事情對不對那個蔡區長要不要補充一下這件事情 |
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總統出訪行程主要是由府方跟外交部在規劃啦那有確定的話 宣布之後我們會提供違案的機制好 那我記得蔡局長也有參加台美的關稅這個會談 最早的時候有提供資訊給前線的談判團隊參考你就去一次是不是我去前線提供資訊給談判團隊參考你總共去幾次 去一次 |
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幾次我不方便跟委員透露 但我跟委員說明的是 我的功能跟角色是站在國安局 機關社 社會提供資訊好 那你看喔 這個 這個現在剛才 這個張委員問了 我就問這個問題啊我們軍軍局跟河南之間的 |
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群職的交流怎麼會全都錄啊包括前國安局長陳明通去訪問泰國夏威夷全都錄你們有沒有感覺我們的偵查能力很差啊國安單位啊我在想你這個蔡局長你出國是不是也被掌握有沒有 |
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不會 我們都很小心那也謝謝委員關切國際情報交流過程當中要注意保密機敏性的問題那我剛剛有跟馬委員報告那軍情局今天早上的這個新聞我們有請軍情局來做一個比較全面的調查跟了解那到底是什麼對 要等調查結果出來才知道看是人安的問題 治安的問題還是有其他的因素 |
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你想一想 我就想說陳明通他是國安局長他去了哪裡都被掌握我就想說蔡明彥局長會不會你去哪裡被掌握只是他還沒有跟你公佈而已啊會不會你也已經被掌握我們很小心不公佈而已啊謝謝委員提醒 我們都很小心 |
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那個我再請教這個看哪位可以講這個外交部的林部長說中日的爭議一年內不會落幕你是用什麼觀點來看不會落幕因為這是外媒訪問啦我想說這個事情可能會有延續一陣子才會穩定下來 |
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為什麼講一年呢?不是半年呢?不是兩年呢?不是三個月呢?當然是基於我長年的研究,我實務的經驗他們之間的爭議會一直上去嗎?爭議會一直上去嗎?我想我們是期待能夠把它冷卻下來,避免身高衝突到失控 |
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但是也要各方的努力所以台灣方面你看我們的回應啊都是基本上不想說去造成新的爭論但是我們的立場也很清楚同樣的我想日方也是那中方呢看起來他們有比較大的動作不過我想這站在他們的角度來看 |
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他也不一定是希望這個衝突升高也想要把他這個東西能夠控制下來我的觀點最主要是其實這個持續升高衝突甚至到失控這是不符合任何一方的利益 |
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可是一年很長欸 你講出來是一年內中共關係都緊張我們這裡也緊張喔因為這個東西 你要知道中共政權它有個週期性它除了外交也有內政的考量所以它現在已經對於像這個出去旅遊 遊學或者是貿易 或者是這個所有的關係現在都停了 |
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那我看委員是專家啦這個要再恢復是需要時間的恢復需要多少時間就是恢復正常啊要多少時間一年 |
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委員高建呢不是你講一年時間是你講的不是我講的我就問你你憑什麼講這個啊為什麼要拖這麼久啊來蔡局長講一下吧蔡局長你掌握的訊息更多我不會 外交部掌握的訊息你同意一年嗎外交系統掌握訊息很全面啦那我們這邊的訊息也會跟外交系統跟外管所以你完全同意他的我們尊重外交部的評估我們尊重外交部的評估尊重不一定同意喔對吧 |
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是不是 我講你心裡話 尊重 不同意啦 不一定同意啦一年太久啦 那一年怎麼這麼久的對不對 比如說 這個 部長啊中國明年舉辦APEC 他也希望大家來對啊 所以怎麼可能拖一年 對不對 拖一年就到12月了APEC 他明年的APEC怎麼舉辦所以你這樣一年叫做青菜公共咧啦憑感覺 憑你的feel |
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憑第六感毫無根據委員請議然後也說明我們這樣的一個判斷對不對你既然扣到明年他要舉辦APEC怎麼可能拖一年誰也知道隨便想說膝蓋想也知道這個叫一年你這一年就隨便講講嘛對不對當然我知道你心裡希望他一直扯一年的隊伍可能比較好這個觀念是錯的一年算是快的 |
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一年是快的喔那APEC他不要辦了他辦一樣還是會施壓日本啦只是說這個身高不利啦大家一起來能夠把情況控制下來這是符合各方的利益那我們都沒有角色扮演的我們都沒有角色扮演的這個題目 |
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這是中日之間 但也涉及台灣啊我們當然就是主要講台灣的我們要講出我們的那個嘛好 那個請蔡局長講一下好不好外面一直講說二屋的二十八條和平方案大陸會對台灣提出對台的和平方案有這回事嗎 |
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我不知道委員這個比照是根據什麼樣的媒體外媒這樣講啊外媒美國你隨便彭博社什麼的各位說明一下俄烏的28條和平方案是美方針對各方的意見來做一個評估提出來的而且過程當中還要再跟烏克蘭俄國以外歐洲其他國家來討論相關的細節所以它有它形成的背景 |
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那跳躍式的又把它跟台灣串聯在一起中間需要有一些邏輯上的鏈結那外面的一些評估我們尊重啦但是就政策的評估面來講兩者之間的這樣的類比它可能缺乏一些比較強的東西你也太知道這個時候它怎麼會提出來它早就提出來啊 |
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這裡面沒 因為這個 俄烏即便是國際的這些強權介入地下的希望俄烏趕快停下來 才有這個法覆批評方案老共對台灣不是這樣的一個情況啊他怎麼需要提 現在提什麼方案不需要啊 誰也知道他要提什麼的 他早就講了 一直講一直講 |
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對不對 這部分尊重委員的評估不是 我要聽你講啦 不是尊重我評估啦你來就是要講啊 對不對所以外媒講一堆這個東西 我就覺得這個怎麼會有這樣的一個講法 我就覺得好奇怪因為老共就不希望有外國勢力介入台海的問題嘛這個很清楚就 一說就打死啦 對不對所以怎麼會有說 欸比照這個來提出這個對台的方案 我覺得比較奇怪 我覺得 |
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這個這個國安局這邊可以對他講清楚謝謝接下來 |