| IVOD_ID |
166102 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166102 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T10:23:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T10:36:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d64672572a025f99910bc060c38740833e7be3e8fe055fbc1387405cc7a6e4ec875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:08 - 10:36:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部政務次長黃啟煌列席就「如何落實並持續精進運動平權」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請次長 謝謝請次長 |
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次郎好 你好今年九月的時候那個李洋部長 蕭美琴副總統還有海委會的主委管碧玲尤其到浦東海水浴場參加了一個台灣無障礙海洋日的活動那當時部長是說希望能夠更多的生長者可以參與當然那個是一個一次性的活動嘛那我運動部那一天辦完活動之後有去再看一下那個那個場域有沒有生長者在那邊運動嗎 |
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我們應該是在進行台灣不同的場域障礙設施的可及性的這個問題我們是全面的在瞭解因為當然現在今天要推動這個平權不是說辦一個活動宣誓議價就結束了嘛是重點應該是你後續這樣的運動環境怎麼讓它可以變成常態讓身障者可以不再就是政府的類似的這種好像一定要政府辦的活動的情況之下去運動吧是 |
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對不對所以那這中間就牽涉到很多部會的協調啦因為我的了解其實有些生動者那天參加完這個活動之後覺得很棒但是後來跟一些機關在接洽的時候發現大家並沒有整合啊 |
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這個芙蓉海水浴場牽涉到非常多的單位包括北關處還有海巡署有很多單位好像旁邊還有一些跟農業有關的地現在你們的了解怎麼樣有去整合嗎 |
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然後讓它可以變成一個生長者可以常態運動的地方有嗎推動水域的活動的確是我們紀念的一個政策的確這個地方我們需要更多的整合跟跨部會的來推動我當然知道因為你現在是要成立一個運動適應師適應運動師適應運動師不就是在做這件事嗎是所以那天辦完活動之後就沒後續了我針對的是福隆海水浴場這個部分 |
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報告委員我是市運動司的副司長那針對委員所講的我們的確會後我們已經召開跨部會的會議我們邀請了海委會交通部在延伸福隆海水浴場的問題 |
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跨部什麼時候開的我們是在10月的時候就已經10月開的然後 那後續咧所以現在怎麼樣現在規劃是如何的確這個個案是比較複雜怎樣複雜包括剛才委員所提到的有牽涉到保安林地這些的問題必須要去做一些解決那你們有很積極在解決嗎有 這個部分我們會所以預計大概什麼時候可以達到你們想要達到的目標預計什麼時候 |
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我們這個部分有定期我們預計每三個月都會召開不是啦 每三個月是開會嘛你是什麼時候可以把這個場域讓身障者來運動嘛什麼時候你是個短期目標吧不然怎麼可能說成立一個運動部然後有一個運動試運師每天只是開會吧沒有任何成果吧所以你們預計什麼時候會有成果 |
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是的 我們這個部分我們會依照我們盤點全國的狀況我們來處理不是啦 現在講的都是空話都是講不出來喔都在講空話所以有沒有一個短期的目標有沒有 |
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短期的目標其實因為我們才就是適應師才剛剛開始我知道 剛開始所以我沒有說叫你下個月我沒有說叫你下個月就有嘛我是說你們設定一個短期目標嘛因為聽起來是有在著手的嘛我們會先去做盤點的工作因為沒有盤點就不知道該如何著手 |
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好啦好啦好啦好啦 加油啦謝謝再來我們來看一下性評的部分你們現在有成立一個性別平等專案小組嘛那其實我也想問剛剛莊委有問的問題啦為什麼那個競技師沒有在裡面啊當初為什麼沒有因為競技師應該有管很多賽事應該也有相關很多性評議題吧所以為什麼會只排除競技師啊 |
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沒有只排除啦 那就沒有找他啊這個是事實 現在看起來對 為什麼市長為什麼我不知道 你不知道 你今天不是來報告平權的嗎然後你不知道 |
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針對這個議題我真的不知道你真的不知道今天大家一定會問平權的議題然後你說你不知道但你又是運動部的代表這不是滿荒謬的嗎我們當時在選擇是把現役運動員放進來沒有啦 部內委員啦部內的委員目前就是三個男生 三個女生不是啦我在講說部內委員部分為什麼沒有把競技師放進來 |
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講的是這個我知道好沒關係啦 不為難你啦第二個 為什麼裡面沒有男性運動員啊為什麼因為長期以來在女性的在這個平權當中女性是弱勢所以我們在挑選的時候現在好像這個觀念現在好像不是這樣現在講的是性別平等沒錯 沒錯 |
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所以男性的運動員在運動部的角色裡面是不用被保護的我們不會這麼做但是你剛剛講說長期是女性弱勢啊所以沒有男性啊長期以來是女性比較少不是 現在觀念早就不是這樣了嘛我們在新聞或在什麼職場都常看到是男性被受到性騷擾或什麼之類的嘛男性都不用有代表那次長你怎麼會這樣子回答問題咧 |
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我不太懂耶今天在講性平然後結果次長講的話是完全次長講的話是完全違反性平耶是 我們把這個過程我們再回去一下如果可以增加我覺得這好諷刺喔超級諷刺你們今天來報告平權然後我們現在講性別平權然後我說怎麼沒有男性運動員你說因為女性比較弱勢保護女性就好了 |
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男性不用保護這樣有做到平權我沒有說只保護女性不是啦 你意思就是這樣嘛否則為什麼沒有男性運動員在裡面為什麼我們回去再了解一下我們如果可以的話再掙扎回去再了解不是 你今天不是機關代表嗎是這樣子的回答我不相信大家會滿意耶所以你怎麼會調整還是你只是要回去了解 |
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我如果有空間可以調整我就會建議去調整因為你們並沒有滿嘛總共專案小組總共可以聘14個人對吧14個人現在是13個人嘛對所以你寧可空一個人在那邊你也不聘一個男性運動員也不把競技師納入這讓我們覺得很奇怪很詭異啊然後後面你的那個設置辦法你這邊寫本小組自委員6到14人裡面就是只有講到女性運動員3人 |
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阿我怎麼沒有講男性運動員一樣阿光是設置辦法就違反性平了阿運動部性別平等專案小組設置要點違反性平你們可能要回去討論一下啦好不好所以這些都不是你規劃誰規劃 |
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就是我們幕僚單位簽上來的幕僚單位簽上來的幕僚單位不是有在嗎剛剛為什麼每一個人問都說不知道好 繼續啊現在運動部不是都在推那個全民運動嗎就我了解好像你們現在有一個村裡認證的運動認證的 對吧村裡的運動認證是 |
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你有沒有發現其實每一個里的參與意願不高市長你有發現嗎這個業務因為是我們全民署在推動沒關係 署長你有發現每個里的參與意願不高嗎我們還是會鼓勵這件事你有沒有發現可是提出來申請的村里數還是蠻踴躍的啦怎麼可能 我的了解不是這樣哇塞 你們運動部離人民好遠喔你上網看一下 我就看過了 |
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像新北市就不多我有去了解為什麼大家不想申請你知道為什麼嗎可能申請的門檻會比較高一點不是啦你今天要人家準備一大堆paperwork對不對準備完之後呢沒有任何的獎勵就頒一個獎盃大家覺得說我幹嘛那麼累 |
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所以你這個機制有問題嘛我知道運動部你很我不知道你們是不是在模仿那個環境部環保局有推一個禮環境認證以環境認證就是叫各里把它跟環保有關的比如說資收環境保護一些做法提出申請然後地方環保局也會給一個環境認證環保的三顆星四顆星五顆星然後會有獎勵會有獎勵所以大家就有一個正面的循環 |
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很踴躍參與得到獎勵之後再把它投入環保所以整個里就感覺上就變乾淨更環保了人家是這樣做的運動部不是運動部是說你們來申請吧然後人家拿來申請的項目都是既有的項目像我知道有一個里他得到運動里認證就是因為他里內有個籃球隊他把他的既有籃球隊做成paperwork來跟你們申請你們就認證他是運動村里村里認證結果沒有給任何獎勵給一個獎盃 |
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那你有辦法像那個環境部環保局一樣達到正面的循環嗎去年我們是開始試辦今年我們正式辦理之後有些相關的一個評鑑的指標謝謝委員這邊的指導不是 你第一個啦還是有一些獎勵機制因為你去年就辦過了嘛你今年沒有增加你要去瞭解原因嘛你去跟里長聊一聊說怎麼樣可以提升你這間運動風氣如果我頒這個認證的話 |
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里長就會告訴你第一個你要簡便申請的流程嘛里長都很忙啊為了要來申請這個東西還要準備一大堆paperwork第二就是你要獎勵機制嘛比如說你獎勵一點獎給獎金然後他這個獎金又可以回饋到運動項目那整個里的運動風趣就會不斷的提升嘛 |
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否則人家今年申請的隔年可能也不會想要申請了啦因為沒有什麼誘因嘛而且你這只是做表面文章嘛你沒有達到全民運動的風氣喔你現在只是說既有的禮的東西拿來申請啦現在是怎麼樣 明年也是怎麼樣 後年也是怎麼樣啊你沒有提升到運動風氣啊有些指標還是需要說你這邊再努力啦 |
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需要很努力啦這個就是做表面文章啦這就是很表面文章的東西那我們希望運動部既然你們已經成立全民運動署全民運動署署長嘛這就是你最主要的業務啦不要做表面 |
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全民就是要最接地氣要去村裡了解怎麼樣可以提升風氣需要運動部提供什麼協助這樣的機制是不是留於表面這些你都要去了解不是說只是機制定出來好像我有做事這樣子我覺得這種態度很辜負大家對於運動部的期待 |
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謝謝委員的指導然後我還有一個小問題請教一下就是有關競技 跆拳道競技參加全國賽 這個可能次長回答了應該跟全民運動署無關 |
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全國賽 跆拳道比賽現在規定就是男選手女選手都只能各登記一個教練只能各登記一個教練但問題是可能選手16個那他下場的時候每一個選手都比較習慣自己的教練在現場指導但是他就有很多就沒有辦法在比賽的時候參加全國比賽的時候沒有辦法有自己的教練在旁邊這個可不可以想一個彈性的做法 |
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可以 我們回去討論一下你知道我在講的問題嗎的確是臨場教練有時候跟登錄的教練有時候不是同一個人對 不是同一個人那會影響到他們在賽前就影響心情了啦 |
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是 我覺得既然我們要讓選手在比賽的時候有最好的表現這種問題我覺得不是很困難解決的事耶比如說你用換證的方式你登記還是登記一個嘛你可以讓他換證或什麼之類這很好解決啦這困擾大家很多年了可不可以再回去幫忙想個辦法我回去請經濟師再處理一下好 謝謝謝謝 |