| IVOD_ID |
166100 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166100 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T10:20:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T10:33:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d6b0e2faf6b478dfc44cd0246cdf0bd28b7be3e8fe055fbc137b98ec381cd5a4705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:39 - 10:33:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
本院委員林宜瑾等22人、委員劉建國等16人、委員徐巧芯等17人、委員李坤城等22人、委員廖先翔等19人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員羅廷瑋等18人、委員郭昱晴等16人、委員林思銘等18人、委員洪孟楷等16人、蘇巧慧等17人、委員吳琪銘等17人、委員陳亭妃等16人分別擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員張智倫等16人、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修正草案」、委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三十條條文修正草案」、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員楊瓊瓔等21人、委員張宏陸等17人、委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員郭昱晴等21人分別擬具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」、委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第六條之二條文修正草案」、委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「動物保護法第三十二條條文修正草案」、委員羅智強等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十三條條文修正草案」以及委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二及第三十三條之二條文修正草案」、本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「動物保護法第三條及第五條條文修正草案」及本院委員邱若華等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二、第三十三條之二及第三十三條之三條文修正草案」
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我們請張家俊委員請做巡檔謝謝主席我想請這個杜次長我們請杜次長 |
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委員好市長辛苦了那我想多位委員都提出說禁止廚餘養豬這件事情那本席從爆發那一天就不斷的呼籲農業部一定要徹底的禁止廚餘養豬否則台灣再爆發的風險 |
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非常非常高的但我想你們的部長不曉得是有什麼樣的壓力他一直不肯鬆口然後也不肯答應我們所有的養豬業者甚至我們委員會所有的委員他也不肯答應說可以全面的來禁止廚餘養豬那當然所有的豬農現在都非常的恐慌因為這一年內有可能在這一年如果假設大爆發的話未來你也沒有辦法禁止了 |
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因為都沒有豬了你知道嗎所以這件事的嚴重性我想要知道說你次長了不了解謝謝委員其實這個大家都知道非洲豬瘟這次真的是天佑台灣好這是在那個我們很幸運因為那個豬場三公里內沒有別的豬場假設是在比較密集的那一次感染是不得了的所以大家都知道不能再有一次 |
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絕對不能 那你禁止廚餘養豬就是保護這些豬農 保護整個產業鏈 我先舉一個例子你要知道說 這個豬場假設種過了它六年內 甚至十年內 它都不可能在同一個地方復養那它這個豬場 假設是貸款 |
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你要他怎麼做他怎麼償還這個貸款難道農業部你願意幫他償還這個貸款嗎這個風險誰要付呢你們負得起這個責任嗎 付不起嗎所以我接下來要問喔次長為了因應美國關稅漁業署推出的配套措施包括冷鏈補助產銷合作獎勵外銷獎勵等等那本席都非常的肯定說大家是共體時間但我想要問一個最核心的問題喔 |
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这些补助到底有没有真正帮助到最基层的渔民据你所知你知道吗其实我们对于这些冷链的设施其实是希望他到池边去能够协助我们渔民我就问你有没有帮助到渔民价格不能给我们落这有要求价格不能给我们落因为我们是协助他去做冻存的价格不能给我们落是啊这是你理想中但是问题来了 |
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漁業署啟動這些措施之後產地的收購價到底有沒有有沒有變好還是變差布裡面有掌握第一線的消息嗎我就先問嘛去年的台灣貂養殖每公斤是多少錢去年多少錢 |
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好你們不知道每公斤43至45塊那今年的產地價是多少錢你們也不知道沒關係30至31塊那我就再問啊你們知道產地的這個成本是多少嗎成本是多少 |
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多少 你要 是啊那你看如果假設30 31塊他每賣1公斤就賠10塊你是漁民你受得了嗎而且是就像你講的 你也知道盤商會壓他吧盤商就是有壓他嘛 你補助盤商 盤商還是壓他們啊 |
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那這個是不是你們的責任要去管制一下我們是要求說我給你冷凍設施凍存設施是協助農民把那個拉進來凍存不要造成市場波動那價格不能給人家壓低壓低啊 |
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多少漁民叫苦連天 而且呢盤商已經拿了補助 收購價照砍漁民被砍到刀刀見骨欸 如果這是真的話那政府的補助不只沒有幫助到漁民還間接讓盤商有空間殺得更狠那這是你們的本意嗎這我能了解一下 因為其實照顧農民才是我們要做的事情 |
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所以我在這裡呼籲次長 農業部必須訂出一套穩定市場的補助措施而且補助必須直接補助到漁民啊否則他們哀哀叫啊變成是這件事情 你們越補助他們越辛苦那這合理嗎 不合理吧 |
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我們要先了解一下因為其實能夠直接對接我們的農民漁民才是而且我也想知道說我們這190億特別預算通過之後到底哪些是在支應這些漁業的補助有多少我們在包括是說在這個加工跟包裝運材還有團散的獎勵計畫那還有他的一個加工處理這樣子多少目前我們是大概規劃的有 |
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好 不知道 都不知道可見你們有多不重視這件事情根本不知道漁民也不知道你們補助到哪裡去了這麼多的錢到底基層的漁民問說政府有看到我們嗎我們到底有拿到什麼所以我在這裡希望說對於拿補助的這些盤商一定要訂定最低的收購價格否則這些漁民就會任人宰割 |
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那第二呢希望有一個機制能夠正視漁民的困境直接補助漁民那設備盤商這個包括合作社每一個環節都很重要但是絕對不能夠影響最最根本的就是我們的漁民所以呢我再繼續再講你們這個冷鏈的補助辦法也非常好笑 |
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我今年8月的時候曾經向部長曾經向部長說過吳國瑜鱸魚業者包括我們的這個可能台灣鯛等等大家關心的這個冷鏈設備補助當時部長就說只有限漁會但是最後在我要求之下呢他們把合作社也納入那這一項我很肯定那我想請問次長目前這一項冷鏈補助的受理期限到底到什麼時候呢 |
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都沒有停啊 到年底都可以是啊 到2025年的12月31號到2025年的12月31號那你們是什麼時候發布可以開始申請補助的8月對不對 |
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你知道我要反映一個現實處境現在缺工缺料要從零開始到建制這個冷凍倉儲至少需要一年以上那目前的補助規定必須完工驗收才能申請那你覺得你到12月31號有可能建好可以申請嗎我想我們這個會繼續啦怎麼繼續你要講清楚啊明年還是可以來申請啊不是是明年是什麼時候你要講清楚你現在講清楚什麼叫做明年也可以來申請 |
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今年已經有造成事實 已經有合約 有申請的其實今年沒有辦法完工 我們可以讓他明年再來你的補助規定是 要完工驗收才能申請所以完工就每年來申請啊你的規範就夠今年3月31號這我們現場來處理 |
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你們要趕快啊 你們要明定出來 否則這些業者心裡想說你八位這麼酸薄 要怎麼十二位就去好了還可以行刑 真是看得到吃不到耶不會啦 一定會讓大家能夠用得到這些錢好 麻煩拜託了 請那個次長是不是能夠盡快的公告 盡快公告讓這一些真的想要做的人能夠安心不然大家不敢啦 |
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大家怎麼敢 這一次申請你知道嗎 一次做下去是好幾百萬 可能上千萬的他明明知道他可能來不及 他怎麼敢做那不是明擺在那 大家都沒有辦法拿到這筆補助嗎好 這我們來做行政上面的調整 謝謝那另外呢 我想要問的就是有關於那個次長知道現在日本雄害很嚴重嗎 |
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知道嗎 其實有傷害到人的這個 有一百多級對他們觀光也有影響 是雄害那我們很幸運我們還沒有雄害但是我們的山區有另外一種危害就是喉嗨我不曉得你有沒有看過喉嗨有看過那個喉嗨的影片嗎你看一下可以播嗎 |
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這些喉嗨呢嚴重影響了我們在山區的這個農民你看他的火龍果被吃了他的柳丁被吃了然後他的柑橘他的咖啡數個月的這些心血 |
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猴子 可能5分鐘 10分鐘就一次把他都摧毀了 我想請問次長針對猴害你們目前有什麼樣的對策呢 |
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其實在不同地方造成的這個入侵的形態不太一樣像這個果園其實它不見得是肚子餓它其實就是在那邊玩把它都毀損了對呀所以其實谷坑那邊其實我們有給它一些不只谷坑林內林內也非常嚴重而且他們已經不只是在侵害農產品他們已經侵害到人民的家中了你知道嗎所以其實我們是跟當地那個里長村長去做 |
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聯絡請他們怎麼聯絡怎麼聯絡啊你要叫他們自己去處理啊怎麼處理委員好我們其實在過去這幾年都有補助骨坑相公所其實也包含雲林縣政府啦就是組成區侯隊那去驅趕你補助他多少錢 |
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呃 每一年應該都有上百萬吧上百萬 對啊 這個 這個我說加總起來加總起來有上百萬但是你覺得夠嗎呃 看有什麼樣的問題可見是沒有被處理啊這個要針對問題來對症下藥啦那看現在還有什麼樣的問題我們可以再來看跟應該是說處理萬來種像這個 |
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處理外來種你們都有策略雖然台灣猕猴不是外來種但現在應該有25萬至30萬隻喔而且這個還在增加當中那對農作物的損害是多年沒有改善農民是真的非常的無奈我想 |
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農業部應該更主動你要把它視為國家層級的農業風險來處理才行啊對但是全台灣每個地方的樣態不一樣而且台灣猕猴也不是保育類動物防治的工具應該是更多元你說怎樣我說就是您講的台灣猕猴不是保育類所以其實農民也可以進圍處理 |
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境外處理怎麼處理就是農民可以自行捕捉啊無自行捕捉 |
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這個也是方法之一那我是說現在有什麼問題我們可以來跟委員會後來了解看是怎麼樣我們可以再來提供協助我希望你們可以提供積極的一個策略全方位的策略而不是只是很消極的覺得農民可以自己捕捉這件事情你知道我們山區喔我們山區是很多都是老人家 |
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你現在叫他自行去捕捉如果他不小心跌倒了誰負責所以屈侯隊也是在這樣的情況之下是 所以我希望你們要更積極你們要自己想一個更積極的辦法不是說 啊 農民你自己去抓他還抓得到有些地方的農民他們確實是也會自己捉確實也有啦是 那可能是比較年輕力壯的我現在就在告訴你說我們的山區有很多都是老人家他做不到 |
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但是我做得到他就不會認他欺負啦所以我們再來看可以用什麼樣的方式市長我請你回答你要怎麼辦我覺得不趕快說實在需要不同策略那我覺得其實我們因地制宜市長署長我都希望你們要認真一點面對這件問題不要再認這些猴子欺負我們雲林的農民好不好謝謝 |