| IVOD_ID |
166072 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166072 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-03T09:08:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-03T09:22:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d5a4ce084af309d64fe8d066af99fb12d25403dec583eac6ab4060e56b9459677cccb990385a62e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:08:53 - 09:22:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長、司法院副秘書長就「民法繼承編特留分制度之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【12月3日及4日兩天一次會】） |
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主席好 我們來有請部長 副秘書長有請部長 副秘書長委員早兩位早國人對於詐騙深惡痛絕我想最簡單的一個基本的觀念洩漏偵查中一秘密的文書是不是違法 部長 |
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呃 這個委員 這個簡報有寫了對 他是不是違法呃 我想這個是不是洩漏偵查中的秘密文書我想這個如果有的話 那個檢察官會如果依照告訴高發貨職務直系 我想會立案來處理OK 好 非常好喔但問題是啦 大家現在看不懂啦我們的政府說要打詐 |
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結果檢察官是不是有鼓勵他的男朋友參與詐騙集團這是另外一回事但是針對在詐騙中偵查的案件利用檢察官內部查詢的系統去查相關偵查中隱秘密的文書這件事情去年6月11號媒體報導了以後陶檢說沒有影響偵查也沒有影響 |
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也沒有涉及妨礙秘密但問題來了我上一次質詢過了以後我看到這個新聞稿我有點沒辦法相信我去年6月12號質詢結果桃園地檢署發了一個新聞稿說什麼說呢 |
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這位檢察官有沒有涉及刑事不法他們在去年6月12號已經另外分案偵辦一定會秉公處理 嚴正執法 絕不護短秉公處理 嚴正執法 絕不護短結果呢 結果沒想到啊所謂的秉公處理 嚴正執法 絕不護短今年年初啊 偷偷簽結了 |
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今年年初偷偷簽結了自己內部簽結了社會大眾通通都不知道等到什麼等到檢察官評鑑委員會進行評鑑的時候有四位評鑑委員直接在協同意見書裡面講啊 |
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說這不是只有移情職務法院處理而已啊這個已經是涉及到刑法132條洩漏國防以外的秘密罪請問桃園地檢署這樣子牽結法務部的立場是什麼 |
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法務部的立場認為這位吳雅芝檢察官已經不適合當檢察官所以我們是不是適合當檢察官是職務法庭的事嘛決議及協同意見部分我們就含情這部分我們就是絕對不會負擔絕對不會負擔現在就已經簽結啦主張免除檢察官的職務啦這兩回事啦我們在職務法庭處理他適不適合檢察官這我沒有意見啦 |
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我有意見的是什麼桃園地檢署告訴全國人民嚴正執法絕不護短結果偷偷摸摸自己牽結牽結是什麼概念 |
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甚至不用讓高檢署看欸偷偷摸摸自己牽結心虛成這個樣子這麼明確在偵查當中告訴代理人就是被害人他提出的書狀利用檢察官的查詢系統查出來提供給詐騙集團的律師可以這樣幹喔這樣沒有違法喔 |
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我看不懂了啦我現在已經完全看不懂了這麼明確的違法我們的桃園地檢署竟然簽結我講一句不客氣的根本不僅僅是在官官相護是在包庇自家人犯罪所以我才問部長法務部的立場是什麼 |
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這個不管是我們認為吳雅芝的一個行為非常的不妥所以這部分我再重申就是我們認為應該免除檢察官的職務 |
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剛剛我們已經講過了嘛 這部分不用討論嘛現在我在處理的是刑事責任的問題嘛這種事情可以牽結喔非常的好 非常的好記得 記得你今天說過的話來 我繼續啊 帶給大家看啊大家問桃園地檢署 你們為什麼牽結啊 |
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桃園地檢署完美的示範什麼叫問A答B啊人家問他說你為什麼牽結牽結是刑事訴訟的概念結果他的回答是我們已經送職務法庭了 |
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跟院長 跟部長今天回答的方式一模一樣人家問你憑什麼簽結刑事訴訟為什麼簽結他的答案是 我已經送職務法庭了包庇自家人犯罪啊 到這種程度權利在你們手上嘛愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞啊大家拿你們沒皮條啊 沒有關係接下來請司法院 |
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行政院院長卓榮泰說買醬油的錢不能拿去買醋司法院認不認同委員這個部分並不是司法院職權這個部分我們他在講的是預算的使用我編錢給你去買醬油不可以拿去買醋司法院認不認同這個牽涉到錢怎麼花 |
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這個我們不便回答不會啊那個預算不是你們司法院在執行的嗎我為什麼問你其實我不是要在這邊考這個狀態啦來我帶我接下來帶你看立法院預算中心說什麼司法院歷年的出國計畫都大幅變更你們實際出國的計畫跟依照原計畫的比例低到慘不能讀慘不能讀2023年我講過了別人預算要去法國考察 |
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結果跑去捷克 這個我去年就問過了我只是很快帶大家review進一步看裡面的錢從其他的計畫 雲芝114萬這叫做掛羊頭賣狗肉這叫做卓榮泰說拿醬油的錢去買醋這就是卓榮泰在講的事情啦2024年 去年有七位大法官去了比利時 法國 荷蘭 |
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結果我看了預算書看了半天沒有去比利時荷蘭的行程啊院長有去法國的行程編在預算書裡這個我肯定去比利時荷蘭的計畫根本沒有啊也是從其他的計畫運資的嗎 |
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那個委員這個在去年在去年預算審查的時候已經有那個報告過了就是說我們的那個大法官因為他們身份的關係還有再加上我國在外交上的那個處境所以說有時候做了計畫之後就是本來都已經談好了那但是最後的時候就是沒有辦法那個成行OK好來我帶大家看一下通過預算以後這一次去比利時荷蘭雲芝的134萬雲芝的134萬 |
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本來沒有這個計畫項目雲芝的上百萬了以後那我當然就很好奇啊去比利時荷蘭做什麼我看了以後我嚇一大跳請問這是觀光行程嗎 |
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510.262 |
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我為什麼說這個是觀光行程嗎第一天晚上從桃園搭飛機到阿姆斯特丹阿姆斯特丹我那時候當學者要出國開會的時候常常去啊一落地大概都是天亮的時候結果到阿姆斯特丹以後那不是目的地啊要去比利時要去比利時的布拉索從阿姆斯特丹到布拉索多遠你知道嗎 |
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妳應該不知道吧 妳有沒有去過我個人有去過 對所以妳從阿姆斯特丹到布拉索移動要多久我不知道他們是用什麼交通工具我可以跟妳講一下阿姆斯特丹的機場下去坐鐵路到布拉索兩個小時 |
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委員這上面有講了他們那一天還有那個就是在收集那個相關的議題是是是請問去荷蘭收入及什麼資料委員因為你今天那個臨時就是準備這個因為我並不是那個就是書記沒有關係啊你們會後提供啊是我只是秀出來給大家看啊結果到了布拉索爾以後吃了一頓飯再休息了一天荷蘭待一天 |
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比利時待一天 也都不是目的地最後再從比利時啊 去法國所以我才問嘛 這個是什麼觀光旅遊行程啊到阿姆斯特丹收集資料你騙我沒有去過阿姆斯特丹啊到阿姆斯特丹為什麼喜歡飛阿姆斯特丹 |
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609.87 |
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一大早就到 往下到海牙 往左邊到布拉索坐電車很方便 就在機場下面 兩個小時就到了但是為了收集整理資料 我們一定要在阿姆斯特丹住一個晚上然後到布拉索以後 再休息一天 再從布拉索跑到巴黎去 |
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總共合比訪團11天的行程我寬算6天公務11天的行程6天公務真正去你所謂的重要機構參訪的加起來我也寬算3天這樣的行程司法院 |
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反正在網站上都有啦只是沒有什麼人去看啊司法院有什麼說辭司法院自己去講但是我回來看了你們的報告我看了真的是大驚失色啊台灣人均的GDP依照IMF有72485美元這個報告是誰寫的 |
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這個是司法院113年度赴比利時法國荷蘭考察報告上面從院長許忠麗到院長是主任陳惠美中間有一堆大法官我看了這個報告以後我腦袋第一個問題是這個報告誰寫的台灣什麼時候人均GDP有72485美元INF排名第12名真的嗎這個報告誰寫的好沒關係你回去查一下 |
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因為他沒有掛名嘛 到底是誰寫的我想院長應該不會寫這種報告啦那到底是誰寫的是真的去的人寫的嗎還是回來找一個職員寫的因為我看了這個數字了以後我覺得很奇怪台灣的人均GDP有72485有嗎 |
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委員要報告是其實這一次去那個出訪有達成很大的司法跟外交上的那個成就沒關係這個我等一下再問這個我等一下再問INF你們贏的是2023年台灣人均GDP我很慎重的到INF上面的官網去查這個就是你們Citation嘛資料的來源嘛是32340 |
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這是IMF的網站上面 官網不用去阿姆斯特丹就知道了然後這個是你們的出國報告然後你說達成很大的效益 來報告建議採納情形我有框起來嗎你有沒有看到說報告有建議事項有四個項目然後以採行項目有兩個項目這個是司法院送出來的決算書這個數字你有看到嗎 |
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對對對 是是是但我跟秘書長說明一下整份報告我拜讀了整份報告我拜讀我完全沒有看到上面有什麼建議內容建議內容是零所以我很看你們寫這個決算書出來我看了非常的驚訝我在報告裡面看不到的東西結果在上面有四個建議事項 |
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然後還可以說有兩個已經採行了我完全看不懂我也看不到沒有關係時間的關係請司法院會後請司法院會後書面回覆在報告的什麼地方建議了哪四個事項又有哪兩個事項是已經採行可以嗎可以需要多久兩天夠嗎這個這很簡單啦就把就把這份報告拿出來然後說在第幾頁有幾個建議事項 |
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這四個建議事項是哪四個建議事項有哪兩個彩形需要多久委員那個一週可以嗎好可以我給你一個禮拜好謝謝 |