| IVOD_ID |
166046 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166046 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T10:08:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T10:18:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af7e360ffac8ae157b8b28663f7a8bd1180b07b1c5d8e9378773eca6ea80bfd1def5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭正鈐 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:03 - 10:18:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我想請一下國發會葉俊賢主委然後經濟部工部長還有我們經貿談判辦公室的談判總代表楊珍妮謝謝好 我們請上位 |
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首先我想先請教一下國發會主委這幾年台灣已經持續58個月生不如死就是新適合人口非常的少各個產業都在缺工我想請教一下國發會主委你知道現在缺工的情況有多嚴重嗎缺工的情況的話我這邊有一個表大致上就是說 |
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以那一個就是休息停班的這個部分來講的話比例比較高的會是在台中市這個部分OK 簡單回憶就好啦缺工情況應該肯定很嚴重對不對各行業幾乎都缺工對不對 |
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有一些啦但可能沒有委員講那麼嚴重你覺得那個物流業嚴不嚴重製造業嚴不嚴重服務業嚴不嚴重你覺得哪個產業不嚴重你告訴我都很重要哪個產業不缺工你告訴我都缺工嘛對不對高科技缺不缺工 |
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也缺工嘛對不對高科技也缺工嘛對不對好那我想請教一下因為之前就是包括我們的行政院副院長也提到了就是說我們要幫川普來蓋一個美版竹科 |
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然後我們副總統也特別提到了這個台灣的半導體供應鏈要一起赴美我想請教一下我們經濟部長就是整個的美板逐科這件事情我知道你們回過很多次然後你們都否認這件事情可是整個產業鏈要過去這件事情是確定的嘛 對不對 |
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還是要看企業界他們的一些想法我剛才還是提到就是說第一個產業要對外投資一定是要貼近客戶有訂單然後而且會賺錢如果還達不到那樣的經濟規模他是不會出去的所以說其實整個半導體產業鏈其實非常的多台積電一家的協力廠商超過200家200家以上的一個供應鏈那現在之前在前部長的時候他那時候去參加那個 |
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美國的一個商場的時候有將近200家的台灣廠商一起到美國去那他們也都表示要跟著台積電過去這件事情我想經濟部長應該不會不了解對不對那我想請教一下我們有沒有對於整個半導體產業 另外一對台灣整體經濟跟整個產業還有國安風險的一個評估 |
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是有一個評估啦就是說他這樣的投資到底會對我們的影響是怎麼樣但是我們就是說為什麼要求廠商都要投資一定要國內的有相對投資好那我問一下你講到這個點你剛剛也特別回應一件事情就是說台積電承諾到美國去投資1650億的時候他也會相應的在台灣擴大投資你剛剛是這麼回應對不對超過這個金額 |
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超過這個金額我想請教一下我們台積電到美國去投資預計要分幾年投資完他早沒有壓時間不過他大概是應該是兩年或兩年多一個廠這樣子的速度所以預計大概會幾年的時候把這堆筆承諾投資完 |
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如果啦 如果需求還是持續強烈的話那它會持續地蓋嘛平均兩年蓋一個廠的話那它會蓋六個廠嘛 差不多所以你說要十幾年才會投資完這1650億美元是 是是喔 OK 好在戰場的速度情況之下 對 |
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但是在台灣的速度就很快因為台灣的蓋廠速度非常非常快好 我這邊要特別講一下因為按照台積電法說會的資料的時候今年台積電在台灣的一個投資金額大概420億美元在台灣的投資那麼表示說台積電在台灣的投資佔整個台灣2024年明目GDP7960億美元大概要佔5%多 |
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這個金額其實非常的龐大所以台積電對於整個台灣的一個經濟成長肯定是具有非常帶動龍頭的一個效果部長這沒有問題吧OK那我們也看到一個情況就是說現在整個竹科中科南科他的一個 |
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半导体的一个产业机体电路的一个产值的时候整体来说占了79.99%将近八成台湾这个部分所以你看台积电对整个台湾的整个整体经济的带动有多大的一个影响所以我这边的时候要特别提到一个事情就是说之前美国商务部长卢特尼克他特别提到说我们高阶制程要跟 |
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台灣跟美國五五分這件事情的時候我們經濟部這邊有沒有掌控到一些相關的訊息如果台灣的產能跟美國的產能要一樣高階製程五五分那是不可能的從現在的投資速度就可以看得出來落差越差越大所以說我這邊我要特別提到就整個台積電 |
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的高階製程占它全球的一個市占率到92%而且台積電高階製程占它台積電整體營收的74%所以我們認為政府一定有責任要把台積電這邊在台灣這邊的鞏固更好更明確這沒有問題啦OK那我最後我想請教一下那個楊代表 |
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就是最近喔最近那個有一個路透社有一個新聞說台美正在洽談培訓美國高科技人才的協議有沒有這件事情我想剛剛那個葉主委已經表明了我們沒有談到這一點也沒有這個協議所以路透社這個新聞是假訊息 |
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那是他自己的報導我們沒有談這個你們沒有談這個訊息可是路透社報導的狀態所以你這邊覺得說路透社這個新聞是假訊息對不對報導不真實不是假訊息是什麼 |
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還是說因為我發現我們的政府很多談判的一個資料都落後在整個媒體之外包括我們那時候20%的那個疊加的部分我們政府承認的速度也在媒體之後很多事情都是後來媒體報導之後我們後來證明媒體講的好像有這麼一回事那麼我想了解就是我們對於美國要求我們培訓美國高科技人這個協議沒有在談這件事情 |
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是的沒有沒有談這件事情OK那我為什麼特別講這個狀態因為剛剛部長這邊有提到說就是很多台積電的工程師過去然後後來也會回來可是我這邊要特別講到一個情況是很多情況人才如果過去之後是回不來的所以 |
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代表這邊如果說很明確跟我們講說路透社這個新聞是假訊息因為我們根本沒有在談這件事情那我再把這邊因為這個是路透社的一個英文版的原文他很清楚的這邊提到他說川普他希望說一些外籍勞工能夠扮演更積極的角色這邊的外籍勞工指的是台灣的勞工那如果說 |
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代表覺得說這樣子的一個訊息是不真實的訊息的時候那我們是不是要做一個公開的一個澄清針對路透社這樣的新聞做一個澄清代表報告委員其實這邊報導最後他也引用到我們企業自己的內部訓練所以我覺得我們不去幫這個路透社他做任何的解釋但是我們有澄清這個不是在我們談判的條件之一OK |
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那因為說在整個談判過程當中我們看到很多情況就政府的公開資料一直都在整個媒體之後所以我們也希望就是所有的一個部分剛剛有委員提到說現在已經台美已經進到換聞的一個階段有到這個階段嗎代表 |
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我们进到最后的谈判阶段但是所有的底线要确定之后才能对外到换文的阶段了吗是说相关的条件在换文不是叫换文是在交换文件表示这些承诺就条件在交换就对了还不是正式的一个文本在交换对不对不是有关相关技术的议题有一些条件我们要澄清他也要了解在交换这些文件 |
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OK 好 謝謝那我們希望整個台美的談判的時候能夠可以公開的部分盡量讓老百姓知道至少要讓國會知道然後我覺得不要有很多的訊息像路透社這個新聞出來之後的時候其實讓整個科學園區很多的產業 |
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他們很擔心他們擔心台積電如果很多人到美國去幫美國培訓人才的時候那台積電會吸引其他台灣其他相關公司的人往台積電流動那台積電就會變成一個像美國書寫人才的一個供應站 |
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那整個台灣的整個高科技的人才圈又會產生一個大地震所以我們希望這樣的事情不要發生然後工部長剛剛提到說我們對於整個半導體產業到美國去對整個台灣產業經濟國安的這種評估的時候之後可不可以本席一個很完整的資料謝謝 |