| IVOD_ID |
166045 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166045 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T09:56:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T10:08:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af795960db1329912fbb28663f7a8bd1180b07b1c5d8e9378773eca6ea80bfd1def5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:29 - 10:08:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席給龔部長喝一口水好 我們請楊代表 龔部長還有我們國發會的葉主委好 我們請三位 謝謝各位早安謝委員好 |
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我們卓院長他已經證實了台美目前在交換文件的這個階段了那我們知道國人都在意的是我們有沒有比日本韓國更好的條件那日本韓國他們分別都已經承諾投資5500億跟3500億那台灣到底投資多少 |
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是有什么具体的数字可以跟国人报告一下吗杨代表报告委员我想日本跟韩国跟我们的情形不一样我们的投资模式是依照我们的经济发展产业结构跟业者的需求所定出来的至于金额的部分因为还在议定当中也不便细节对外宣布所以是不是要把我们科学园区 |
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整個在美國再複製一個是這個概念嗎那如果這樣子的話除了台積電有多少的科學園區的廠商也要共同到美國去投資 |
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報告委員 我們是說我們的內科學園區的經驗跟美國來交換意見協助我們的業者在當地能夠設立產業園區或是產業記錄不是把我們的科學園區搬到美國去我覺得這一部分跟委員做一個澄清那如果台積電去 整個供應鏈要不要去 部長 |
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沒有啊 現在台積電的這個亞利桑那廠已經開始量產但是供應鏈還是沒有去啊很多都去了 很多都去了而且現在預估到美國投資的台灣廠商科技業而言就要他的對美的投資建一個廠比台灣的投資是要增加五到七倍喔 |
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這個數字你們有沒有掌握應該沒有那麼高沒有 你們掌握的沒那麼高是不是你們覺得沒有那麼高是不是那因為美國的生產的條件以及法令的這個跟台灣是有非常大的差異以及他們如何跟美國建立這樣子的一個就是說相關的能夠在台灣就是說有這樣相關的法令的 |
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這個可及性在美國並沒有啊是不是這也就是為什麼我們要居獨居就是說台灣政府跟美國政府要有一個比較好的溝通沒有5到7倍 幾倍 |
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那這個是企業界的這個營業的秘密這個要台積電來說明啦我們不方便這個是他業者的秘密啦所以現在投資的金額還沒有確定嗎投資的金額你說台積電嗎不是 楊代表楊代表有答案啦 |
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報告委員我剛剛已經說明了我們現在的投資金額尚未議定在談判前不便對外說明因為我們要爭取對我業者最有利的條件所以還沒有確定還沒有確定那是不是 |
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要以我們整個產硬鏈到美國去增加他們半導體的產出那請問我們是不是變成要幫美國的企業來培養就是他們的就是勞力勞動力在半導體相關製造的勞動力是不是這是不是談的條件之一 |
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報告委員我們沒有答應美國說要幫他訓練技術人員我想業者他們在做投資的時候依照他們的需求但是但是美國如果要求台灣的企業到赴美投資的時候他其實有要求我們要用當地的勞動力是不是多大比例 |
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沒有談這個但是從對外投資來講當然要用當地的勞工那我們是不是以這樣子就是對於美國半導體製造業技術人力的訓練代替了巨額的資金投入 |
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因為你一個廠在那邊 會不會一個廠在那邊要運作基本的這個人力上的這個基本條件還是要存在啊要不然他的廠沒有辦法運作啊 對所以他們本身台積電就會有一些職能訓練但是現在目前就是說在建廠階段他仰賴的是我們台灣的就是說台積電的員工赴美去建廠那甚至開始投入量產嘛 |
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那很多建廠的人員已經回來了有一些已經回來了部分啦部分啦那還是最大部分還是仰賴台灣的嗎那他們現在希望說我們能夠訓練這個相關的部分嗎那個葉主委知不知道 |
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這個部分的話就台積電自己本身他會有自己的判斷因為畢竟就是說他整個廠在那邊營運的話那到底要怎樣去做人力的安排然後是不是有一些員工要送回來台灣那他們要求多大的比例在地員工 |
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所以如果我們不是超越美超越日韓這樣子的投資金額是不是以我們目前來訓練當地的半導體生產的技術人員那來成為我們關稅談判的一個條件之一呢 |
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這個應該不會是談判條件兩代表都沒說你們兩個怎麼就在前面講報告委員他都是我們在副院長領導之下最好的談判夥伴所以他們兩個講的代表你們談判的內容嗎我們都一起的 |
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所以代表你們談判內容嗎是不是他們剛剛已經表述了這個金額議定而且並沒有說訓練他的勞工室談判關稅減讓的一部分我們現在沒有談到這些好那我再問工部長就是目前我們對於關稅衝擊的這個四大措施就是外銷貸款的保證就是說保證加碼 |
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那我發現加碼的荷寶只有10.8億還有中小微企業發展貸款加碼身貸是628件61.4億研發轉型865件那爭取海外訂單549件代表了我們過去認為因應關稅衝擊就是說創造出來的這些方案 |
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目前為止 好像效率 成數都不高是不是 那是不是代表我們這些方案的作用呢 |
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這樣加起來有兩千多件還是有很多那我們還是要加強宣導因為有些企業可能沒有收到這樣的訊息那所以我們為什麼要因為我們給他四百六十億的特別預算的貸款身貸額度那是四百六十億喔那他其實身貸的還沒有含就是說已經合則的身貸只有六十一億 |
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這個執行期間要兩年多所以還有很多的時間可能需要直接經費不是要一次就用完我再問一下楊代表一個事情好不好楊代表我們關稅什麼時候可以抵定啊你知道嗎財政部的出口數字都沒有辦法算 |
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報告委員剛剛已經講了我們如果對等二向澳這個供應鏈一談妥的話對等的貴稅率我們一定要調降而且不疊加我們會緊述的依照國人的所以我們期待的是232跟對等關稅一起談嗎是不是這個剛剛我在報告裡面有講美國的我的產業的結構非常特殊是因為半導體還有電子產品造成最大的逆差所以這是兩個協定是一起談的 |
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那一起談的情況下對於未來關稅可能下降的這樣的機率有多大你說一下我想政府院長您對領導的團隊有信心我們一定要爭取往下對等條件而且要不疊加這對我們業者才有機率啊楊代表我問一下嘛機率有多高機率非常的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
587.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
608.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那70% 80%還是90%還是低於70%四個答案嘛 選擇題我想那個底線談判沒有經過核定的話我們不能講到100%但是這是我們最大的期盼我們也有很高的信心可以爭取到那是70% 80%還是90%我還是不做這個比率的評斷機率啊 機率啊 這不是那個機率吧 |
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617.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
624.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我沒有說妳會百分之百嘛基因非常的高那是多少啊70%以上還是以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
625.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
647.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們一定要爭取二三奧供應鏈最好的稅率之下我們才會結束這個談判所以這個談判一結束對等也會調降這是我們最大的期盼機率還是非常的高你都沒有講我跟你講現在全台灣所有的製造業所有的高科技所有都在等你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
649.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
663.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
連財政部政府部門所有明年的稅收預估的數字都沒有辦法出來耶因為不知道明年的出口如何啊是不是但在這個情況下你總要透露給大家一點點那個吧是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
665.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
684.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
報告委員我還是要講機率真的非常高這是我們努力的一個目標因為任何一個協定沒有談完之後細項一公佈之後可能會影響到我們最好的結果所以我會跟委員報告我們會努力而且機率非常非常的高好 謝謝好 謝謝謝一鋒委員 謝謝我們接下來請 |