| IVOD_ID |
166044 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166044 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T13:06:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T13:15:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af7a51530d858b049ad96d3b95029a3bab6c185e1ae13c21000b927b96357d7ed705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:06:42 - 13:15:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「軍人薪資待遇結構現行作法檢討及未來調整規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請部長 謝謝請 郭部長是 佑文好部長 請教一下現在政府有提一個依照2500億的特別預算均購案那接下來還會再提別的嗎最近最近還會再提別的嗎您說特別預算嗎 |
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會不會因為我記得不久前才提了一個特別預算裡面還1100億也是跟國防有關嘛然後那時候裡面我的感覺啦好像是不知道是為了達到那個金額所以就灌水啊裡面有買什麼那個投影機啊買五萬塊錢的椅子啊買那個120塊錢的水啊就把它灌到1100億啊 |
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那現在又一兆兩千五百億他會不會沒多這樣 灌水講不是那為什麼特別預算要買投影機這是另外一個題目啦我真是好奇的因為現在大家是聚焦在一兆兩千五百億嘛那會不會通過以後沒多久又來一個幾千億或一兩兆的特別預算是有可能嗎目前沒有規劃目前沒有規劃但是有可能的 |
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沒有規劃 沒有規劃就是沒有規劃沒有規劃沒有規劃在這一次的特別預算以外還要再另提特別預算就國防部之後啦就現在沒有嘛那不排除嘛現在沒有就沒有規劃那你們這一照2500億他的那個決定程序是什麼啊我非常好奇就為什麼行政院長不知道但是特定民進黨立委會先知道是他那個特定的立委跟國防部特別好還是他居中有什麼角色 |
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我想第一個委員如何自習這個我們並不清楚第二個就是有關行政院不是你們講的不是那這個這種事情是可以比總統先提早宣布嗎不然等一下我還沒有問你問題啊你剛剛有問我所以我要回答行政院的部分好 行政院的部分 |
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行政院院長的部分我想他在回答的時候我有在場他的意思就是說明這些這個條例正在行政院的審議當中他本人還沒有看到這個只是我們先送條例到行政院的審議那由政務委員再做一個相關部會跨部會的一個協調所以他還沒看到因為他最後還沒有審議完成那現在當然已經經過審議完成之後送到這個院長院長也召開這個院會通過了 |
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我覺得這個當然是一個很大的一筆錢所以大家當然會檢驗說這個錢用的用途然後有沒有亂用還有就是有一些錢債的部分我們之前也都編了很多國防預算特別預算譬如說我問海昆號當然我不是想要問那個毛或水密門但我知道說它裡面好像有一個系統的問題先確定一個資訊我們在國防部在2019年6年前那時候花了36億 |
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買了一台就是大午劍建構了一台大午劍對吧有這個事吧大午劍它被監察院審計部糾正認為說測試的工序不符規範特別是有一個整合式的載台管理系統不符程序然後至今有74項缺失到目前為止都沒有改正有這件事情嗎報告委員有的那這個大午劍準備怎麼處理 |
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根據委員報告,它因為裝備的一個貨裝裝件之後它的軟體測試需要一點時間所以它當初就一個合宜的檢驗次序做了一個調整對,但是它現在系統有沒有缺失現在測試都正常,沒有問題現在測試完全正常是好,那請問一下,這個大武建的系統廠商是不是跟海昆號原型建的廠商是同一家 |
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跟委員報告這個詳細商情我們不在這邊透露但是它的系統跟操作運作是分開來做一個測試所以海昆號在系統的測試方面有沒有問題 |
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現在目前都已經逐步把IPMS都已經完成到我們各項各階段測試以前現在都是符合所以它的系統是完全都沒問題的對 現在逐步在做這個邁向它測試前的一個整備每次的這個測試我們都會做一些安全評估它現在目前是沒問題所以海昆號現在系統沒有問題是好 那另外再請教一下因為有關於海昆號之前是黃曙光 前司令在推動 |
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那後來彈劃嘛 彈劃現在也走了請問一下海軍現在人力上接得起來嗎 |
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跟委員報告 那我想從黃之偉持召集人之後那海軍現在就負責整個的專案管理那會配合的台船跟我們專案團隊會複起這個整個在網部督管下他有一個編組會持續按部就班來推動後續的一個這個測試跟交建的一個任務所以你們現在有信心海昆號到底什麼時候可以交檢因為一直在跳票到底什麼時候可以交檢 |
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報告委員 我們建造階段是準時的但是就是在測試的時候需要一點當然啦 沒有人這樣分的啦現在人家問交件不會管說你建造測試報告委員 還是要說明就是說我們的建造的階段是符合他的規定沒關係 沒關係 我就問一個總的期限嘛 之前是有訂11月底嘛那今天11月已經跳票了 那下一次總是有訂一個短期目標嘛 到底什麼時候我們會逐段來做 現在已經完成了扶航 |
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沒有沒有 不要扯這些好不好因為我們時間有限部長 因為之前是講11月底啦那現在跳票了嘛所以現在大概新的目標是什麼時候可以交檢我們已經在說明在安全跟品質確保的前提之下我們逐步完成那現在補航完成之後我們還是要進行這一個潛水潛水我知道啦 這個程序大家都已經都很清楚了因為海昆號大家都了解 |
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程序到底是怎麼完成哪些程序可以交接我是問時間點以前都敢講現在為什麼就不敢講了我們那個時間點11月底是依照合約的推展那現在我們根據這個相關的這個測試你合約當初在訂的時候也會有一個預估嘛測試的順利那測試進程順利部長如果說連一個目標都不敢講的話代表說你們也沒信心嘛 |
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因為你之前在訂合約為什麼敢訂目標因為你們有個期程你認為說按部就班可以完成所以你會訂一個11月底那現在你們感覺就沒有信心了你們也不覺得你們可以解決到可能很難解決問題所以你現在連講都不敢講沒有我們現在認為沒有一些那請問明年中有可能明年中有可能交件嗎我們測試還是要逐步我當然知道我當然知道我沒有趕你我只是問一個目標值所以明年中有可能交件嗎 |
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我想我們還是會持續的按階段來就像F16V一樣啊那時候也是說什麼時間應該給我們幾架後來一直往後延但是不管是往後延怎麼樣也是有一個短期目標現在海昆號是連短期目標都沒有 |
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跟委員報告我們現在已經今天是12月1號那我們復航過了我們現在下一個階段就是要準備做潛航那當我們在達到這個潛航的這個運作跟測試之後我們才會比較精準的一個時間開跟委員報告 |
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所以所以潛航是什麼時候要完成潛航我們目前開始就在做潛航的前程對大概什麼時候要完成因為這個目前還在做整個的整理跟潛航的整備那我們整備完之後你們今天回答都好空洞感覺都沒有做任何準備耶 |
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你明明就知道說這件事情是大家很關注的而且在11月底已經跳票那今天到立法院我相信很多人會問這個問題結果你來你都完全沒有做任何準備就一直不斷來重複那個程序但是對於期程你完全講不出來抱歉我們上禮才剛完成兩次扶航對啊那所以那你總是我們現在就在做下一個潛航的準備對下一個潛航大概什麼時候嘛然後什麼時候會交接我不覺得這個會那麼難回答欸 |
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我不覺得那麼 如果說你們是一個負責任的單位的話這有那麼難回答嗎我們就是等到這個相關的潛水潛艇規劃執行試試是牛年馬月嗎 還是什麼時候 為什麼講不出來我們要按照這個測試的結果才能當然啊 那你總是要有一個目標啊否則的話就盡量拖就好了啊 |
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我們沒有會盡量拖我們當然要盡快的按照這個不是啦 我們相關的這個節點然後來盡快的來答那時間點為什麼會講不出來如果說你都按部就班的話總是有時間點啊為什麼講不出來我們還是會依照相關的你就是一直不要再跳針了啦所以現在沒有信心嘛 |
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沒有信心是不是我們有信心會完成沒有信心有信心會完成但不知道是何時啦節點來逐步的來進行好不好好 謝謝 |