| IVOD_ID |
166042 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166042 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T12:43:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T12:54:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af78b96c07b08a72a9396d3b95029a3bab617e9c371ce254979a11b46a314bfa5925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:43:13 - 12:54:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「軍人薪資待遇結構現行作法檢討及未來調整規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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請部長 |
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總統宣示我國將要編列高達新台幣1.25兆的軍購特別預算過去這幾個月本席一直坊間聽到媒體聽到巨額的預算的傳言 |
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那我在本席在國防委員會呢也跟您探討過同時也在總質詢也跟院長談過那院長跟您呢都沒有具體的一個回答所以本席要請教既然總統先生已經正式的對外說明那時間數字依據到底是不是成如現在所公佈的也就是要1.25兆的軍購特別預算 |
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請說明1.25就是按照條例的話就是屬於我們整個預算的一個上限那具體的預算的編制要在不能夠超過這個預算上限的情況之下來具體來編列好所以這個是確實也就是當時您回答本席說這個條例送到行政院去審議 |
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那卓院長在總諮詢的時候回答本席說他知道這個是但是不了解內容那現在我們終於也知道了也就是1.25兆是你們預定的上限的這個預算數是不是 |
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所以本席要請教也就是總統先生是在投書給華盛頓郵報但是我們覺得說目前為止總統先生已經對外宣告所以這個確定是屬實但是到目前為止我們國人針對於新戰略 |
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那也沒有兵力跟戰術的一個配套我們博人都不清楚在這樣情況之下總統投書外媒是為了什麼呢有人說是為了內宣 是不是如此啊 |
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我想總統投訴外媒也是在尋求說國際上對我們依照我們防衛作戰的需求提高這個國防預算然後讓跟國際做一個戰略溝通讓國際能夠了解我們有自我防衛的決心有捍衛我們民主價值的一個決心是 讓國際了解當然要做但是讓國人了解應該是更重要吧這一些的預算都是人民的納稅錢 |
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所以在不清楚兵力到底是怎麼樣通通都不知道所以總統台會特別有召開記者會有做一個說明那我們也做一個說明那我這邊還是要說明就是我們現在在條例的一個階段那現在提出一個經費的上限然後我們也有說明採購的一些項目那具體的這個經費的編列要等到大院能夠通過這個條例哇 那個事大條喔 |
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因為你現在也不知那條例也還在審但是總統已經對外說 |
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那人民到底總統就是說明我們這個條例提出來經費的我們要提出來的整個的所需要的經費上限就新台幣一兆兩千五百所以部長這是史上最高的軍購特別預算那不管過去藍綠都執政的時候沒有提過這麼高這是史上也等於是過去國防部四個特別預算的一個總和所以本期要再請教 |
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如果我們現在所說的你們說是這1.25兆全數要舉債嗎按照這個規定相關的這個預算條例預算條例來看就是會有以稅計歷年的以前年度稅計剩餘然後還有這個舉債這個兩個管道那這可能會讓我們政府舉債突破天際喔 |
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這有可能喔所以本席再請教我們這個條例裡面它有說明就是說它還是要符合財政紀律法14條第二項規定意旨就是舉債比例要有一定的一個控管的機制所以請教部長整個預算跟特別預算在條例的適應期間的舉債額度的合計數不能夠超過該期間總預算跟特別預算稅數總額合計數的15%部長 |
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過去被延遲交貨的採購案都還沒有解決那我們現在衝突的繼續採購會不會把人民當當大頭 當攀納我想我們這個整個的預算的籌編都是根據我們的整體防衛作戰的需求考量敵情的威脅來編列 |
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國家的安全當然全民會支持 本席也支持但是 本席要再次強調不能讓人民當攀囊 當體管制所以本席要請教在野黨提出了普發現金修正財務法在當時都是被罵的臭頭但是政府 要謝謝政府終於聽到明末普發現金現在在執行中 |
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但是我們看到為了軍人加薪預算一年只有300億這個充實國防當然是要為軍人加薪啊部長 你同意為軍人加薪嗎依法 立法院三讀通過了依法 編列 你會編列嗎 你同意嗎 |
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國防部的一貫的立場就是要不斷的去整體調整這個軍人的待遇結構所以我們一直在說明我們會依照一直持續來檢討修訂各項的勤務佳績的支領對象種類跟法律請針對本席的提問依法台灣是一個民主法治國家立法院三讀通過一年只有300億 |
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跟我們現在所提的軍購軍購再怎麼樣沒有人執行這怎麼辦所以本席再一次請教您身為國防部長啊那您會同意軍人加薪編列這300億嗎依法編列 |
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我想就這個您講的 提到的這個軍人待遇條例直接規範這個資源一加幾 三萬塊這個部分這個在宣導的時候 默併制效果非常好行政院說明已經依照憲政的精神提出釋憲那基於行政議題的原則你身為國防部長 本席要請教 部長你是軍人的大家長你同不同意依法編列這三百億 |
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我們會持續檢討修訂各項的行務佳績我們認為要從整個軍人待遇的結構來檢討整個我們認為所需要編列的這個相關的這些預算來達到我們提高我們相關國防人力戰力的一個需求的一個精確的目標我們會朝這個方向一直持續來努力你不回答本席 |
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本席不願意解讀說你不願意編但是我們希望你身為部長依法行政是是務必要做的那同時我們也知道你要怎麼樣讓國軍能夠安心他才有最強的戰鬥力為國家來奮來奮鬥來奉獻所以本席再請教一句依法三讀通過的一年將近如果跟軍購的預算來比他是 |
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他是 |
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維護其為所以請教再請教一次部長你會同意依法編列一年將近只有300億讓國軍能夠安心的這筆預算嗎法治化我的回答還是兩點 第一點我們會持續的檢討軍人待遇的這個各項家籍的調升 基於整體的規劃那基於行政 第二點 基於行政一體原則本部尊重行政院對於國家施政各項預算的分配本部尊重行政院 所以本期最後 |
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要告訴部長部長一定要為國軍爭取權益不要讓行政院違法不變違法不變所以本席要請教總統先生中國大陸以2027年台灣這個 |
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武統台灣為目標那我們發覺這個貼文有所改變了他改為2027年完成武統台灣的準備為目標所以本席要請教在這樣的字眼是以總統先生 |
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來對外來指出在臉書上面那所以本席要請教喔這個甚至可能會影響到各項外國人要來台灣投資國內的軍心是不是能夠安定所以本席要請教喔因為會發這樣的臉書的字眼把時間點都定下來 |
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那請教是不是有收集到相關的情資所以總統才會這麼樣的來對外宣稱呢我想兩點第一點我們國軍還是以達到這個2027年才達到高戰備能力作為一個目標第二點有關共軍的這個動態我們都會嚴密監控再來觀察那就各項的這個共軍的 |
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這個情況我們透過聯合情監的手段也透過跟友盟溝通的多項這樣子的一些管道我們會持續對共軍各項的徵喉來進行全面的掌控所以請教目前我們所提出不管是條例等這些的軍事採購跟軍力的一個部署 |
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都是以這樣子的前提2027年的目標來做這個因應嗎 是不是如此我們2027年完成高發戰備能力但是我們現在提出來的這個特別條例包括了軍購 包括了商購 包括了委治案我們都是以我們能夠建立更進一步的多域拒絕能力來強化我們的防衛作戰的能力為目標強化作戰為目標 |
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但是如果以總統的高位直接點名中共武力犯台的時間你認為這樣適當嗎我想 剛剛你也提到了我想總統的意思就是要我們做好相關的準備我們也以2027年達成高戰備能力作為一個目標 |