| IVOD_ID |
166037 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166037 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T12:07:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T12:17:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af78f61e36d9303a620b28663f7a8bd118017e9c371ce25497958fff7e47292a95a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:05 - 12:17:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部工部長還有我們台電董事長好 請台電董事長 |
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蔡委好部長好部長因為現在未來產業的一個佈局很重要的就是水跟電我想要先就電的部分來請教一下部長因為嘉義現在台積電已經 |
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它的先進封裝廠第一廠已經專機完成所以現在大概就是要趕兩年後可以量產那未來台積電還會有第二個廠在明年也會裝機所以我們現在要確保整個電力的供應是無虞的這個事情事實上就會牽扯到說現在馬籌後產業園區在那邊要蓋的一個比較中型以上的一個變電所那它變電所的進度到底是如何呢那個 |
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跟委員報告就算你如果提到是家科啦家科的部分那個我們其實 |
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因為要因應那個半導體產業的快速發展我們現在基本上都是先臨時供電就是一些臨時的變電設備都先處理了因為那個室內變電站蓋的時間會比較長那馬籌的部分其實我們有比較早提早佈局如果說馬籌後的廠商有需要用電那我們一定會想辦法提早供電那至於我們要辦的DS就是那個 |
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配電變電站 董事長我想你知道整個供電是整個區域的供電所以馬籌後的興建起來事實上它可以它是可以涵蓋是很大的一個區域的 沒錯甚至說未來可能鋪子傳統的變電所它也會達到它的一個歷史的一個任務它可能就會結束了嘛那關鍵都還是在於馬籌後的這一個變電所什麼時候可以完成 |
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董事長你跟我說一下看明確的時間我們盡量在趕啦因為一個如果是室內型的變電站時間真的會要比較長那我們希望看2030能不能夠提早在2030年底以前把它給做起來但這個對我們的同仁來講要求是比較嚴格的沒關係 我覺得說這個東西雖然要求嚴格 但是很用力 |
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因為整個區域用電而且未來嘉義的產業的布局都是在這裡跟委員報告地方政府如果支持我們蓋DSES其實台電公司都會盡全力快速的來趕工 |
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因為我們現在是有些主要是遇到有些DSES沒辦法取得用地或是沒辦法變更來或是拿到建造來建董事長但是我們嘉義還好我們嘉義因為我們嘉義是用產業園區的土地沒錯所以相對只要有支持我們都會加速來蓋對我們這邊相對跟你們之間大家互動是良好的那應該整個速度就加速來蓋是的好不好那董事長可以先回 |
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那我再來問水的問題啦水的問題就會涉及到了接下來嘉義縣的一個海淡廠那現在海淡廠的一個還在環境影響評估中那水的問題可能未來這個海淡廠要提供很很重要的一個水的供應那這個海淡廠目前 |
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推估是2032年才會開始供水每天的供水最大量是10萬公噸那想要請教部長 這個進度都沒有變嗎我請同仁說明一下好不好我再check一下好不好進度沒有變嗎 |
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好那可是我要跟部長說一個狀況我目前掌握的訊息是說未來因為我們這個海淡產是會在布袋山港外圍去做填海造陸部長這部分你清楚嘛對可是現在就把填海造陸的成本要把它算入為未來這一個海淡產它的興建成本所以可能就會影響到未來水費的問題哇那問題就很大囉 |
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部長因為這是兩件事 填海造陸是為了我們地方要增加腹地所以那是填海造陸你不能說把填海造陸因為未來我們海淡廠就希望在這個填海造陸的地方興建海淡廠所以填海造陸的成本也是海淡廠的成本 |
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不好意思所以這個東西 可能你要幫我們回去可能要 要 當然要 還沒發生啦還沒發生 可是我現在有聽到這樣的狀況那可能以後大家就卻步啦 說哇 那個成本怎麼忽然間暴增這麼多 |
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是是是因為天海照入他是大概規劃了十幾公頃十幾公頃咧海灘廠也沒用這麼大所以你把天海照入的成本算進來的費用的計算那這件事不合理是是是 好不好第二個我再來跟 |
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就是說現在有談到產業園區這個用電的升級所以我們希望在產業園區或是科學園區去推動公共的一個儲能去有這個儲能的一個補助那科學園區會事半那未來產業園區那我想要跟部長來建議的就是說事實上我們知道未來整個因應整個AI的一個發展 |
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那AI是需要用大量的電的所以這一個如果我們在產業園區不能由經濟部直接來盤整一個地方然後由經濟部我們的產業園區我們的管理局直接就來經營儲能有沒有辦法這樣現在我不曉得因為管理局他現在賦予他的這個 |
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任務啦沒有這塊啦我意思是說你記得我們覺得要補助手上每天去辦儲能我覺得說產業園區如果直接可以用更就是說我們乾脆更積極一點我們直接在產業園區盤整適當的地方做儲能設備那我們可以在離風用電的時候把電力儲起來然後在尖峰用電的時候再給產業園區的商家去使用這些電的話 |
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事實上你只要規劃妥當的話這件事對於整個產業園區用電的效能會有大幅的一個精進部長我覺得這部分你們可以斟酌一下那我們來思考一下好不好跟這個園區就是討論一下如果可以這樣做的話我們就來試辦看看可以試辦看看嘛因為這樣的話對於整個用電對不對有時他沒用電的時候我們就讓他去欠電啊是是是環境一樣都是使用者付費啊 |
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這一些需要用到 尖峰時候需要用到多一點電的商家他自然就要付費只是說這樣的一個設備由我們產業園區局自己來管理因為這樣量比較會大 除了東西事實上有時候都需要量體是要一定的部長可以先回 趙委再給我一分鐘我要請國發會主委請國發會主委 |
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委員好主委事實上我要延續剛剛這個富奎委員有去詢問的因為這一次關稅的影響經濟部之外事實上農業部是有的那我們有編列180億但是我要跟主委講事實上我們大家都忽略一件事就是說這一次的關稅事實上對隨產品尤其是出口到過去出口不管是出口到美國或其他國家 |
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對於有出口的水產品傷害非常的大這個傷害大是為什麼呢是因為在關稅不穩定的時候很多事實上在進口水產品的他家都大量進了他就那時候都已經滿倉了啦他都進滿了那進滿了後現在這些水產品開始回賣了 |
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抓 他們不需要你也知道說水產品那些東西你如果不買到 它是要繼續持續持續持續你像螺旗 螺旗的生長大概是六個月八個月它如果到六百起就不是它適當的一個規格所以你現在螺旗你現在沒出沒出 |
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超過規格後 哇 最慘的是包括很多一些大型的商家你像Costco 它就說 哇 你這個漁民你這隻魚已經過大隻了 太大隻了啊 不是 他們要餓了所以就會造成惡性循環不只是鱸魚喔 我覺得未來我們台灣釣吳國瑜會有這樣的狀況喔這個是有一點 因為之前的囤貨造成整個水產品它現在是一個供應非常不順的狀況 |
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然後我要跟主委直接建議啦這個時候要解決這個問題勒事實上就是要想辦法最快的時間先去化現在口袋裡面這些東西所以可能你要我們現在有特別預算嘛180億來協助這些農水產品的話可能就是說國軍可以吃鱸魚啊鱸魚將你健康學校營養午餐來吃一下鱸魚啊過去 |
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因為這個很貴 樓宜是算比較貴的沒機會 現在有特別預算來去化 讓孩子吃 健康 營養在這個賺的費用 這樣有什麼不好跟委員報告其實我們有針對那一個農漁會有在推所謂的冷鏈設備的新建跟升級這個也可以把部分的那一些庫存的這些沒有賣出去的可以把它冷凍起來 然後做一些加工處理 |
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那是往加工方面但是我要跟主委講的就是說我看到的是因為他們沒有辦法銷售就是變成說養到過季了養到過季了 養到過季了養到過季了 養到過季了養到過季了 養到過季了養到過季了 養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養到過季了養 |