| IVOD_ID |
166028 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166028 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T11:21:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T11:33:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af701ce4ca7dbbeb500b28663f7a8bd1180b5a5e9a97e51bcb87b98ec381cd5a4705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:00 - 11:33:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝紅衛 現在是國昌欸你們有換嗎都沒看到在後面來 謝謝接下來我們請黃國昌委員請做詢問來 謝謝主席 有請經濟部部長 國營事業管理司司長還有我們經貿代表黃美琪三位 謝謝 |
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黃委員好部長高關稅的事情大家都很關心不過我剛剛看到你們在回答其他委員的質詢的時候看起來要問到一個具體的時間點是非常的困難就是不管是你或者是楊總代表講話都非常的有藝術但是我現在先講一個對於我們新北的鄉親比較迫切的問題我不曉得部長有沒有注意到這個週末的新聞 |
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淡北道路10月27號挖斷自來水管線造成大概淡水地區6萬5千戶左右停水這個是10月27號的事情到11月30號的時候我們的自來水公司說有逐步的覆水這個是11月30號發出的聲明 |
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今天早上新聞媒體的報導是停水超過68個小時停水戶自嘲淡水人已學會用貓砂停水68小時在現在的家庭生活當中甚至有一些營業用的店家這到底是一個什麼樣子的概念所以現在大家最關心的一件事情是請問淡水的民眾還要再等多久 |
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源頭供水的部分已經在供了那現在就是壓的部分水壓的部分管線末端我現在不是問問題啦我現在是問說淡水的民眾大概很急迫的知道一件事情的答案就是還要等多久 |
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你總要給人家一個時間嘛人家才可以比較務實的去規劃他接下來的生活嘛否則在昨天的時候發一個聲明說下午五點逐步覆水那但是大家每一個人都待在家裡面等啊 |
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等水來了沒有啊等馬達聲開始響了沒有啊那一直等到今天早上還是一堆人家裡沒有水可以用那因此我才藉由這個質詢的機會因為一般的民眾可能打了電話去問你們也沒有辦法得到個確切的答案是不是可以跟大家講說什麼時候可以修復完畢覆水成功報告委員那個淡水大概有19個里 |
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那到目前為止我們統計大概有12個里的部分大概我們管現在還有幾戶在停水大概負水率大概將近八成將近八成你確定有八成但是因為很多是高樓那高樓的部分因為他下不是啊你八成怎麼算的我聽不懂啊 |
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你八成怎麼算的啊 覆水率有八成這個是依照我們目前管網的現況那跟委員補充報告就是因為有很多大樓他必須要地下水持續滿以後才可以往上送所以這個時間會比較慢所以什麼時候可以完全覆水我們目前的評估大概到下午4點應該是各個大概有17個里應該都可以覆水完成 |
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那還有多少沒有辦法覆水完成因為你現在在用國會寶貴國會職權的時間我聽到都還是空的啦剛剛你說有八成來來來你看一下我今天早上我今天早上收到的公告目前12月1號降壓戶數還有17508戶 |
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那就是用水受到影響的還有17508戶然後你站在國會說覆水已經有八成這個數字是對的嗎八戶委員因為總覆數大概六萬兩千多戶啦所以呢啊這樣子有八成是你數學有問題還是我數學有問題 |
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這個數字喔 來來來 你上面看一個是9951另外一個是7557加起來17508戶啊我現在沒有要跟你爭執數學的事情啊你們說八成覆水客觀上這不正確大家可以去算啊但現在淡水的民眾最關心的事情是什麼一個週末 |
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整整一個週末沒有水搞到今天早上你現在還沒有辦法承諾什麼時候可以覆水完成嗎什麼時候可以正常的恢復供水完成就是崁嶺跟新村的坡因為高地區比較晚一點大概凌晨2點可以全面覆水明天早上凌晨2點拜託你們 |
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淡水的民眾自己都已經開始自嘲了沒有水的狀況現在是不是要學會用貓砂看了好像很細虐看了好像很細虐但是實際上面對他們來講那是影響非常重大的事情切回今天的主題我只有一個最簡單的問題因為剛剛很多委員問了很多次但我還是沒有得到一個答案 |
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之前行政院說談判有相關資訊會事實報告這個是7月11號的新聞鄭麗君副院長出來講的第二個8月賴總統稱我們現在20%加既有的稅率20%加N是一個暫時性的稅率賴總統說渴望再調降 |
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那從8月1號賴總統這樣講 8月7號開始上路 到今天12月1號了嘛那大家最關心的事情是 這個暫時性的稅率還會暫時多久發財委員剛剛已經有回答 是 還要暫時多久 儘快嘛所以儘快有可能是兩個月 也有可能是半年嘛 |
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我這樣說對不對我自己的判斷不會到半年那麼久那你的判斷還要暫時多久我們會盡快對啊所以你說不會半年但是你會盡快我們在國會問啦我必須要老實說齁永遠只能得到這個問題來第五次實體談判是什麼時候舉行的 |
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那個談判代表不是站在你旁邊嗎第五次實體談判是什麼時候舉行的在九月底跟十月初九月底跟十月初嗎那整整從十月到十一月十月到十一月就沒有任何的實體談判了嗎 |
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是因為都已經談完了嗎不是 因為我們能救這個23號供應鏈它是一個非常複雜的議題我瞭解所以要做文書的往來透過線上的交換有需要第六次實體談判嗎我相信只要達成初步的共識要有第六次的實體所以還要有第六次實體談判嗎對那第六次實體談判以後到真的能夠達成協議恐怕還有一段路要走吧 |
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因為你們今天的題 我為什麼問要不要有第六次實體談判我不曉得談判總代表跟經濟部部長對你們今天所提到國會裡面的書面報告到底熟不熟悉你們在裡面跟大家描述的是我們已經歷經五次實體談判 現在在做文件交換等到文件交換完了以後 接下來就渴望來簽協議 |
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但我看了你們文字上面的描述所描述的那個process我覺得非常的困惑 |
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第五次的實體談判是九月底十月初等於十月十一月 整整兩個月沒有再進行任何的實體談判透過文件的交換在十二月可以達成協議這怎麼可能所以我才請教你會不會有第六次的實體談判那你現在認為應該有需要進行第六次的實體談判只是第六次的實體談判的時間點你現在也不知道嗎 |
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我們都會盡快的安排我知道都是盡快跟盡速最後一個我只想提一件事當初前部長郭志輝在8月的時候說4000億美元的投資引發軒然大波經濟部那個時候說沒有沒有沒有郭志輝不是那個意思郭志輝只是用日韓投資美國當作例子來講結果沒有想到 |
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無獨有偶今年11月21號金融時報寫了台美協議將拍板台灣估承諾投資4000億美元真的是非常巧合8月這個金額出來的時候經濟部消毒消了半天說郭志輝只是舉例啦 |
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不是4000億美元結果11月21號金融時報又講4000億美元現在4000億美元這個數字是定了嗎所有的投資金額到現在沒有議定有一個區間嗎他是在做一個揣測因為金融時報也是揣測嘛金融時報是不是也是揣測不好意思請你針對我的問題回答金融時報是不是也是揣測那你們有沒有發函要求金融時報更正 |
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我們有對外跟大家說明 這個金額是一個揣測不是啊 那你要跟金融時報講啊說你這樣寫不對啊這麼重要 這麼有信譽的國際媒體怎麼可以沒有事實基礎 妄自揣測要發函去跟金融時報講啊怎麼可以這樣隨便揣測這是國際知名媒體耶這是國際知名媒體耶 |
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沒關係啊你們到時候談判出來的時候是不是4000億美元到時候盤掀開就知道了但我要提醒一件事我只要提醒一件事拜託日本5500億美元南韓3500億美元很多人在看絕對數字說台灣大概介在這兩個金額之間但我看的是佔GDP的佔比 |
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日本5500億美元 占他們GDP是14%韓國3500億美元 占他們GDP是20%假設啦 現在我講假設因為我們國會立法委員對到底要投資多少錢 老實講我們也不知道然後看媒體 原來是媒體亂寫經濟部部長 前經濟部部長講原來前經濟部部長只是在舉例 |
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然後也不是4000億美元所以我站在這邊我只能假設假設是4000億美元的話占我們的GDP占比多少這樣的占比會不會太高部長會不會覺得太高 |
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報告委員 我說過我們的投資模式跟日韓是不一樣的完全不一樣 因為日韓他是把他的外匯拿出來所以我們現在是金額未定 但投資模式定了是嗎投資模式幾乎是不一樣 我們是產生自主性的去投資我說啦 投資模式不一樣 所以投資模式定了嘛只是投資金額還沒有定 是這樣嗎 |
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如果是所謂的自主啦那如果自主的話 你今天就在這邊拍胸脯講啊我們對美投資承諾的金額是零啦因為所有的投資都是自主的跟政府一點關係都沒有都是廠商樂意 自己要去的跟我們的政府跟台美經貿的談判一點關係也沒有承諾的金額是零嘛好 謝謝 謝謝 |