| IVOD_ID |
166025 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166025 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T10:57:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T11:08:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af7c32d3a03ae270e16b28663f7a8bd1180b5a5e9a97e51bcb8747f46cb97eb1dba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:57:19 - 11:08:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們請邱志偉委員執行好 謝謝陳昭明主席第一位請教經貿談判辦楊總談判代表 |
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委員好總參議員辛苦了這一年來可能最辛苦的就是您了率領各部會的談判團隊對美國的談判是非常辛苦的那過程中我覺得是你最關鍵的角色了 |
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就是說你們有個評估報告包括經濟部跟這個這個國會都提到如果排除關稅後面清單跟232項目如果對等關稅由32變成20%對我出口產值GDP就業的影響會減緩約五成請問這個是哪一個智庫做的報告 |
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首先報告委員 這個整個談判最辛苦的應該是院長跟副院長領巾的團隊所以這個報告應該是哪一個報告哪一個智庫做的到底有幾個智庫做的報告兩個是不是可以提供智庫的報告我們參考一下而且你的數據應該很精確 |
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约减缓约五成约减缓约五成那到底对哪些产业对AI当然AI这个半导体可能影响不大对传统产业传统产业向下的很多这个不同产业它影响有多大这些报告里面智库报告有没有提到这个请是不是中心院跟这个台积医院的报告评估报告师傅可以提供给报告委员我刚刚请示龚部长因为他当行政秘书长的时候做的他说可以提供 |
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沒有問題嗎 那個國務長對 我們也要了解一下說他做的評估的基礎是怎麼樣來 國發會那個也一起來好了 國發會的業主委 |
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這個葉主委您的報告裡面提到說對這個臺美對臺灣蘇美主要工業產品大部分是這個半導體跟伺服器這些對20%的這個債券性關稅影響比較低那比較影響大的就是說包括工具機器械汽車零組件等等就屬於傳統產業的領域我給你看一張圖 |
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這個你看這個今年的股價變化年初到現在紅色的全部都是AI半導體藍色的全部是船船那這一次這個台美貿易談判不管是你維持在20還是往下降維持在20還是一樣比現在更差因為其他的主要貿易對手國是15%嘛對不對所以我們重點不是在AI跟半導體我們不會受到關稅太大的影響而是受到最大影響是傳統產業 |
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這個必須要對每一個產業都要很精確的評估好 這個您提出這個問題我要請您就針對傳統產業怎麼樣去振興 價值化要提出一個完整的國家戰略不能讓他們自生自滅而且我覺得經濟部所提出的相關的這些補貼什麼我覺得對他們而言是於事無補最主要是怎麼樣轉型去怎麼樣升級 |
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有跟委員報告這個也是為什麼我們要開始推所謂的AI新四大建設這個部分我知道我們那麼多時間改天再跟你請教主委先請回我繼續請教楊總長我一直對你的報告我鑽研很多時間美方追求的很具體 |
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它要增加農工產品出口對不對對 進股貸第二要建立公平的負荷環境第三個要實現環境領域的再工業化這三點都進股貸好 請教一下美國要求增加農工產品主要目的是要平衡貿易逆差對不對是的好 它有沒有具體提出哪些項目有提出哪些具體的金額請您回答 |
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報告委員 我想美國跟各國談為了要平衡貿易都表示希望絕大部分的農工產品都能夠降稅所以我們就是記憶這個原則在跟美方協商的我的問題很簡單 還有沒有具體提出哪些項目具體的金額一般談判應該會有大概相關的項目跟金額出來吧 |
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我想在談判過程中 大家交換意見的時候會提出來但是因為還沒到公佈的階段所以我們現在沒有在大院這邊跟您報告好 另外提出這個關鍵領域的再工業化 |
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您能不能说明更清楚一下什么叫关键领域的再工业化它的关键产业最重要希望它再工业化对台湾来讲最重要就是半导体因为我们的出口百分之七贸易差百分之九成都是在半导体自动性产品和电子零组件所以它希望在这一方的产业它能够建立那台湾可以扮演什么角色呢 |
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他希望台湾扮演什么角色或提供什么样的协助他关键产业的再工业化他希望我们在不管是在半导体或是电子零组件自通信产品能够再建立他们跟我们的产业的共同的共荣的合作然后高科技产业继续发展之所以担任台湾代表之所以成功我赞许你就是你把具体的都讲得很抽象 |
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板抽象講的都很專業謝謝委員 因為現在談判還沒到終點這個是一個談判代表應該要有這種基本功夫好 接著非寬稅的部分包括美規車准入農產品標等等等這些都有達到這個相關的協議了嗎 |
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這邊具體上大部分技術性議題都有抵定還是還有旗艦應該大部分都抵定了這是院長也說了所以我們只是在做文件一些技術性最後的磋商好技術性磋商你這邊寫大致完成再做文件交換對不對然後達成文件交換過程之後最後總結會議那會不會拖到明年 |
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我們希望這個時間的壓力確實是談判你們設定一個時間點我們希望快速的把它結束但是一定要得到好的結果才能結束非常抽象我這個不追問你啦就是也許會拖到明年嘛 |
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我覺得我們會努力希望在今年把它結束但是一定要達成好的結論對我業者有交代才會結束對產業界有幫助對台灣競爭力有幫助好最後一個比較重點是說 |
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你在第一次台美私底說上的時候我們已經跟美方表達我們有國會保留法律條款對不對是審核我們協議文本要送交立法院來審議喔對好何謂審議審議是可以針對文本這協議的內容做修改調整還是你相關你就是可以要接受還是要退回 |
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我想在过程你们做过相关的沙盘推演现在国会结构你理解吗我们理解我们也有做一些沙盘推演但是我相信如果我们争取到是对台湾最有利合理的条件不管是在对等不管是在232我们希望大院都能够支持要达到国会共识这个这件事最为困难的一次 |
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在國會達成共識通常是這個執政長提出的相關的協議文本或者小案內容通常以過去這個兩年的經驗來看要不過的機會蠻大的所以你要碰到國會這一關我是非常憂心你跟美國談判的這個協議文本很完整你們也認為對台灣產業是有幫助的確保國家利益 |
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如果國會是審議不是被查國會審議他是有權利修改協議的內容還是他如果萬一退回不接受你這個台美協議的這個內容的話談判辦公室 經濟部 國會怎麼去應應我順便請教一下那個國務部長跟這個諸位 |
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我想在龔部長主委回答之前我們希望你剛說的情形不會發生因為對台灣非常重要美國是我們重要的經貿夥伴我也不希望發生但是如果萬一發生的時候呢我提醒你喔很有可能會發生那如果萬一發生的時候你們有沒有因應之道呢我想我們內部會做這個沙盤推演 |
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這個是很大的問題啊如果在國會沒有辦法通過我們辛苦談判出來的協議文件文本那對美國要怎麼樣去溝通說明主席稍微再給我30秒再請教一下拱部長跟這個葉主委拱部長跟葉主委我剛提到的問題送交國會審議的問題如果國會 |
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好如果不修改如果修改是不是可以修改還是整本退回或者接受你們有沒有針對這些情境做過沙盤推演國務長我們盡量說服為什麼剛剛楊總談判代表會跟美國一直談判說一剛開始就跟美國人講說我們國會有這樣審查權所以讓美國人知道說很多的要求 |
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很多的不是 很多的要求必須要讓這個會期是預算會期耶現在預算都還沒有付尾 你知道嗎所有我們導應的條件也要讓這個國會可以接受跟通過才有可能性在10秒鐘在多少在10秒鐘那個葉主委我的看法跟那個國務部長的看法一樣就是全力去溝通希望國會可以通過祝福你們 |
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天佑台湾 |