| IVOD_ID |
166019 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166019 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T10:27:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T10:38:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af732cc01a3b8a9e428b28663f7a8bd11809e47d070529350c9d4bc19c9f2ed92f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:25 - 10:38:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 接下來我們請張旭凱委員請做詢問請兩位 謝謝 |
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莊委好 你們兩個好 我剛才在看你們在答詢立委的這個剛剛的時候 蒙點頭說會有好消息 很期待喔 好不好快定案了 希望在這個降關稅方面是真的會可以達成你們剛剛講的這個可是我要問更具體的 更具體的 很多民眾直接很關心的馬上定案了美國進口我們這邊的汽車啊這只是一個重要談判的議題嘛 對不對 總代表 |
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關稅美國的這個車子進來會是低關稅是不是零關稅進來嗎報告委員 任何一個項目都是在我們關稅談判裡面但是因為還沒有達到最後的協議我們還是不便對委員報告到底有降到多少會降 降多少還不知道是不是 |
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這個我還是表述 任何一個協議在沒有簽訂之前 任何一個項目都會被變動還有可能變動 可是有討論農民非常關心農產品 |
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我想剛剛我報告美國確實是以貿易優先的時候以他的農產品的出口他要求各國都應該大幅度的要調降農產品跟工業產品關稅但是我們還是基於國家產業的利益糧食安全國民的健康都會爭取我們最有利的條件我們在爭取可是是會降的嗎例如說包括稻米的關稅會不會降或者量會不會增加 |
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我剛有報告有些產業是基於國家產業的利益糧食的安全 國民的健康我們會力爭要求要保留我剛去美國國會外交會有一個很重要的內幕他們那邊很多的官員跟議員在問一個就是中油 |
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對阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的採購跟這個投資那邊回來一個訊息第一個很重要非常非常重要就是川普總統非常注意他的進度第二個我得到消息是最近好像我們簽了意向書之後這個投資好像有點停擺是不是 |
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目前有什麼進度嗎在談的這個過程是不是有點上次投了一項書上次我問了前任的經濟部長他說我們對美國的這個天然氣採購會增加大概兩倍目前所有我們對天然氣採購美國是上百分之十嘛現在會提高到百分之三十可是另外比較嚴重的比較重大要討論的是那些重大投資嘛一種管線對不對這些管線那美國那邊的消息是說好像最近有點一項書簽了之後有點停滯是吧 |
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因為那個雙方還是持續在討論當中那因為他的這個Business Plan就是BPR他如果寫得更完整的話那我們就評估的會更具體我提醒兩個重點第一個川普我很注意這個事情第二個進度不要停下來要趕快去討論但第一個我們的優先是什麼價格天然氣的價格可以買多可是要降那第二個如果去投資的話 |
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我剛有提嘛如果南韓跟日本都不要我們就不能去啦那如果真的例如說可能管線或者是挖這個挖的這個過程開採這個過程我們可以投資可是這個一定要一定的回收好不好進度要跟上好不好另外我來問一下那個總代表你們請問 |
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那個最近很多人說可能是一個好消息就是河山的這個重啟可是這兩天發生一個 我跟你講要不要做環評的事情他們說環境部部長啊把球踢回來 踢皮球說要你先去做這個政策評估經濟部可能針對這個河山重啟做政策評估嗎 |
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包委員經濟部施政或行政單位都是依法行政那我們為什麼可以和珊開始啟動自我評估那就是因為有核管法的修正以後辦法也改了我們有這樣的依據嘛那但是按照環評法目前的要求並沒有要求 |
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這樣的情勢需要做重新環評並沒有這樣的要求但是如果將來環評法改變了那我們當然只能遵守那現在環境部直接先講說你做政策評估 照目前規定也不需要嗎理論上我們的了解 我們的解讀環評法是沒有這樣的要求不需要政策評估也不需要環境評估 |
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好來 現在好消息是因為你27號你核定了台電的這個台電他的這個報告裡面他評估說核二核三具有再運轉的可行性嘛那3月份你這個報告要送到核安威去現在兩個很重要的事情現在很多人在講會不會是拖延好消息是說好像看起來到2027年大概一年半以後就有可能再重啟核三嘛可是很多人在問兩個問題 |
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一個不要拖延太久不會不會 報告委員因為有兩個再運轉計畫提出來以後提給何安慧她會給我們看我們再運轉計畫去做另外一個是自主的安全檢查那個會持續並行不會拖延啦不會不要讓人家外界接著說是打假球所以進度要跟上我具體這樣提 來文森在現場你們現在做這個自主的安全 |
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對不對 只要一年半時間現在很多專家寫者提了一個非常重要的包括艾光中 艾教授他們都提了你們這個自主的這個安檢是不是就依照美國NRC所規定的LRA就是所謂的執照更新評估報告做的我們用的都是美國標準嘛 對不對跟委員報告 全世界的核安規則都是依照當國自己所建立的標準 |
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我們用的是美國標準嘛對不對我要說我們follow的是我們核安會提出來的標準那這一次提出來因為我們是重啟所以我們除了這些相關的規範就是研議的標準之外還有一些重啟相關的工作那核安會多了一個要求就是我們必須提再運轉計畫就是你機組是不是能夠恢復到 |
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執照結束前的狀況所以它對於人員編制機組有沒有被拆除等等相關的計畫我們必須做說明這是第一段第二段它在後段的安全檢查也提出了新增的一些規範包括輻射相關的議題以及耐震 |
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的議題等等這兩個我想說您都有把它給mark出來你講應該都是美國那個LLR他們本身的規範裡面那個他們的規範是前面那三項就是基本上基礎設備的老化相關的一些安全分析它有不同因為台灣是license到齊 |
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所以核安會在訂定標準的時候增加了一些項目如果有符合他們的委員我可不可以跟您簡單報告一個Benchmark就是核一的自我安全檢查事實上是做過的核一的自我安全檢查做了四年 |
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好我就直接跟您報告就是說我們最近這一段時間一直聽到說我們要故意拖延等等我其實完全不知道說因為講的都是專家可是合一的自我安全檢查就做了四年我們現在提出來的時間是比這個還短的所以我完全無法理解說為什麼會講說台電要故意拖延無法理解我們可以很具體的很具體的盡快往這個時程往前 |
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所以我剛講了嘛 你如果用LRA這個標準聽我講完 你不要急著講話好不好 時間有限第一個 你如果照美國這套標準你本來2025年開始就有持續在做嘛就像你剛講的前三項那你就前三項先按照那個標準就不要再讓那個時間往後延了另外 等一下喔另外李秉立教授做了一個圖表 來給大家看一下你剛講的那個 講說前三項ABC這個都是有的 |
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事項啊李敏李教授特別提這個觀點既然你河山要重啟要經過這麼多的這個過程他說很多地方已經做過了或者可以同時做的可以平行做的就盡快好不好你參考一下你給我一個報告就好你現在不用急著打你回去看這幾項有很多專家協議認為可以平行做不要做完A再做B再做C他可以平行做就盡快時間就可以盡快另外呢你看一下裡面一個最關鍵的就是E燃料棒的採購 |
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燃料棒採購如果整個全部都做完以後再去買就太晚了 我給你看一個例子美國的這個帕西迪斯帕西迪斯最近美國政府提供他15.2億的美金貸款後來企業裡面怎麼訂就是說你包括訂過新的燃料棒都要先買我們當初核四也是先買 對不對所以包括燃料棒可以考慮一下 好不好 |
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那個跟委員報告現在舉的國外的例子基本上很多剪一段一段在講人家的計畫人家這一個電廠是之前已經開始做已經做完LRA審查了後來他沒有繼續研議後來想一想又想說好那我來研議好了那個完全就是沒有相同基礎的事 |
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拿來做比喻我們是沒有辦法這個完全是不同的事情怎麼可能是來比較我希望說委員我們要提這些案例都OK但是把它的基礎跟前提拿出來做過對比就是基礎跟前提要一樣才能夠去講這件事但是如果您提到沒有沒有沒有你剛剛講的我這樣說 |
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我先說每個項目平行調查我們本來就在平行調查他說你這個每個步驟都要做對不對有沒有可能如果可以平行先做的先做第二個如果是LRA你剛講的你2005年某部已經做的就盡快 |
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這個很理性啊 怎麼會有任何問題平行調查本來就是平行調查對就是平行進行啦你們平行在做嘛所以OK啦 這是OK的啦現在因為我們極力在發展這個半導體跟AI 你連回答都要來啦那你每年 經濟部也評估過每年我們的電力現在都成長可能3到5%我們現在急需要電嘛而且要低廉 便利的電嘛所以核三核二 你們既然有好消息了就儘快好不好不要讓外面接著說打假酒或者拖延好不好 儘快 好 謝謝好 謝謝 |