| IVOD_ID |
166013 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166013 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T09:46:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T09:59:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af7f5766b222ebf55a996d3b95029a3bab69e47d070529350c9f9f7472ed2d1f4185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:36 - 09:59:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「軍人薪資待遇結構現行作法檢討及未來調整規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席有請顧部長 |
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是 陳偉豪聽取了貴部今天有關行事結構以及一些加急的調整在過去本席跟部內同仁提出的建議有部分已經納入了表達肯定至於有一部分還有要討論的空間我們會在有不同的場域或者是不同的需求下委員也有不同的看法但是這個都可以做溝通 |
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在这边各位看到了我喜欢用表格来略述我不是用情绪化用文字来讲我们的主体本凤专业家籍自愿意家籍主观家籍勤务家籍地域家籍在今天的报告里面都已经纳入了但是政策方向希望还是逐渐提持薪资待遇因为本凤会影响到退伍金的比例 |
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那么物资调整物价上涨未来因应军人安家跟安心信心不足这些东西虽然在特种家籍勤务家籍地域家籍升高了但是他调差以后有起伏有涨跌我们希望能够在本凤部分慢慢慢慢还是要维持成长我们国军遵循国防自主与持续武器的采购这里面很关键的就是人才 |
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那么1.25兆的国防特别军事战国防自主的比例是多少我们希望了解到因为现在我看到的有一点就是我们的教育经费没有增加比例相对是小的你所有的东西到了不只是国军的基础教育 职参教育还有战略教育 |
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你碰到这些所有武器作战构想新的构想AI导入我们学校的课程都还来不及跟上因此你要有特聘的老师而不是用现阶的军职部队完了调到学校坐个轮这个要值得精进因为要有专业的我举例来讲你现在各种先进武器陆海空军都有了可是你的职参教育的教材还没有更新 |
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那这个是需要赶快加度那么这个要提高比例如果学校的教育教材还不能跟上你在美国买了这么多先进的武器装备它的准则教范保养手册维修手册纪令还没有反映到我们的职餐教育那这个将来人才就会流失因为第一批出国受训的人 |
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這個回來後兩年三年調職升遷再接替兩輪以後你就跟不上了雖然美方持續在派人在台灣但是我覺得這個要就說教官的甚至特聘教官外面所有的學校都有特聘教官那特種聘榮譽講座你要給這個彈性像我知道的台大政大這個陽明交大中央他們通通有這個哪怕是我們的當初的就是說 |
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我们所谓的志愿意在学校的这种教育他们也都有特聘教官所以这个部分要强化至于其他的部分大家共同努力我现在要谈到一个问题就谈一些预算的问题因为我们不管是参考北约的模式2030到2033这个依照2500亿在谈到预算的时候这里面包括了 |
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包括美國前任的亞太的助理部長他提到了我們有軍售我們有商售 |
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FMS DCS甚至有商售融資FMF那還有美國總統特種博權的可是他的後續料配件我們是要付錢的那在這個裡面商售的比例佔比多少因為這麼大的一筆預算部長你在這個合約裡面你是專家有關商售的任何一個專案我們 |
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就是有关律师会计师啊从当年建农案1%那后续掌握的状况也许可以降到千分之五我要了解在这个里面这么多的重要案子国内国外国际合作有关商售部分的这个 |
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律师费用这一定要贯彻在里面如果你到后面出了问题协商第三地仲裁那跟我们跟台传公司本身的细节合约就预约督导是很困难的这个一天罚19万100天才1900万1000天三年了才罚19亿那这个比例上完全不合理所以大家要了解到就是说你除了有标准的 |
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5年兵力整建10年建军计划它是前后调整这里面这是国防部出来的图从公务预算然后战力提升2022到2026到2026到2023这里面讲到了几个重点你AI导入了你还没有纳入学校的教材里面我们真正的长官真正使用AI的不是专业单位就是说对AI的概念要深入了解 |
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這張圖是國防部出的 我做一個建議你裡面AI輔助C5ISR請問C5ISR是什麼東西啊那指管通知網電信捐贈可是你少了一個T啊 你知道嗎在國外叫C5ISRT你就是要加一個targeting |
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对因为targeting的这个时效在军种的不同的武器装备间的coordination它时间非常短可能短于30秒所以建议啊C5ISRT这是美国都在用的包括洛马洛格他们也来立法院拜会我们也都讨论过这些东西他们也在强调提供这个共同图像的重要性但是呢很多的就是属于界面的问题我们看到这个图啊现在大家强调这个IBCS洛格都讲它可以整合 |
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這是一個構想跨軍種的武器如果用別的sensor甚至一個地區的單位他能夠下令接戰你的ROE就戰務令接戰規定你是分散式呢還是有授權那在這個所有的準則教範裡面必須要出來 |
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所以整體的畫面C5ISRT非常重要因為包括你的海馬斯包括魚叉你那個色層相近 |
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那谁来打谁来授权你能够由作战区来指挥吗也不行所以你在横着左的里面你还是要有一个完整的授权然后逐步授权到了某个阶段分配下去但是跨军种武器的控制还有一个整合比方讲 |
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空军的这个工山跟美国的爱山这两个的界面不一样那如果美国的厂商介入进来提供协助那我们中科院的这个很多的技术规范是不是要掏出去这涉及到我们专利权的所以我们到现在还在讲一个共同图像可是我们现在所有的简报的图是用简图我没有看过可以把三种演训的图像套叠起来 |
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我们做一个展示美方来的时候我也跟他们谈过了他们说这还要大家共同努力因为你基本的区域性的战略态势图不是雷琴显示图所以我们现在太空部分的能力还不谈我们只希望能够我们自己国产的监视的但是通信卫星还不能在自己手上掌握所以频道还是有限 |
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所以你看这个图各种海图航图卫星套叠你的区域安全的图都显示了以后这个时候了我们台湾之盾了才能够坚实但在这一次过程中间还缺少一项虽然在这个强化防卫韧性的不对称计划采购特别条例一共770个字对 |
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國家來言我們部內的首長各級長官那真是日理萬機但對美國而言那可是日復斗經因為770個字 |
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依照2500亿每一个字是16亿2300万所以这个里面的每一个细节大家一定要定义清楚也就是说在这个2026到2033这中间除了CYSRT以外你对水下监控水下战力反潜这边没有涵盖这个当然可以补足进去那最后就是说我们要一个完整的整合画面了 |
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不同的单位包括我们内政部救灾事实上这个画面我前次也向其他单位提过了我们都可以用3D的图形把灾区防护然后交给陆军救灾的部队他可以看到一个完整的画面所以整合画面配合现在不管是洛马诺格IBCS所讲的 |
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这个C5ISRT以外还要含括到水下反潜反制无人艇这个也是另外一个威胁我们的盾不能只能对付水平面跟空中包括水下要完整的监控我这个建言请部长您做参考部长请回答 |
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我想謝謝委員指教我想因為這個防空的台灣之盾的部分我想應該著重在這個質管的這個部分就是說我們要讓質管的整個的這個在不管在決策或者是在這一個產生一定的這個 |
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從Sensor到Shooter的這個階段的時候那個指管的輔導入AI的一個輔助要能夠具有一個整合性也就是說在指管的這個整合性如果能夠越高那我們能夠進行的火力協調的分配就能夠越精確那接著下來我們做這個實施有效的一個攔截的成功率也會越高 |
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所以我想在這個這個是純粹就防空的部分那麼委員所指教的指管通訊網情監在家T的這個部分整個來講那當然是整個我們包括整個共同的作戰圖像這個其中也涵蓋了所有的情報後勤等等的這些 |
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圖像的一個全部的一個行程那這些行程我想還要再透過更大的一個努力那這個當然不只是空中太空空中水地面水面跟水下我想這個部分是整個我們要防範這個 |
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整個防衛作戰的一個能力的提升的話這個CPSR如果再這樣踢的話那整個全面能力的提升這個當然還有待更進一步的努力 |
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最主要就是还有一点我要强调这些所有先进的概念科技一定要赶快反映到我们的子摊教育跟战略教育不然部队拿到装备学校的教材还没有更新这个是我们要赶快加快努力的 |
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是 這個我們跟國防大學之間要有一個更好的一個結合這是委員所一再提醒的我想國防大學在這部分我們要來盡速的來改革然後相關的這些教官他能夠跟我們的這些部隊 |
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也好或者是跟我們的這些參謀跟我們的整個廣布本身的這些告示單位等等我想都要再做一個更緊密的連結才能夠整個知道我們現在防衛作戰的一個進程這樣子好謝謝大家共同努力謝謝接下來請 |