| IVOD_ID |
166012 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166012 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T09:47:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T09:56:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8163f3efc01af7dc243f8530b51727b28663f7a8bd118051ffdcaedd4f391a2eac597dcc0aeba65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:55 - 09:56:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長及國家安全局首長就「台美關稅協議之談判方針、進度、爭議事項、雙方可能承諾及台灣產業之影響評估」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請做詢答謝謝主席 請工部長還有談判總代表 楊總代表好 我們請兩位 謝謝議員長是 部長 總代表 |
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这个美国的对等关税它现在不仅是我们又关我们国我国的这个出口产业生存的空间而且关乎于我们整个台美经贸关系的这个稳定性那如何让我们的产业不会被这个不合理的关税所伤害到现在还在磋商现在暂行的那个税率是20%对不对那现在的话我们看到在这20%的话我们希望 |
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能夠在關稅上可以談到可以往20%來往下降最好是跟日韓一樣都是15%那也不要再疊加那剛剛兩位都提到說很有信心可以談成那請問一下到底這個對等關稅什麼時候會談成可能在今年年底會談好嗎 |
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报告委员时间有急迫性但是要谈一个好的对国人有利的方向你一直不谈的话他还是在20%所以我们的竞争力就被影响了不是我们在谈判这个过程中一定要争取要调降对等调降而且不叠加所以赶快谈你们有信心会调降那就赶快把它谈成这期限还是不知道一直谈下去 |
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年底也不可能不会我们会努力的尽量的努力还有时间表嘛但是也要是为我国人争取最好所以你们谈不成的话就一直还是28啊 |
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这是我们努力的目标一定要调教再加油好不好那因为现在这个外媒的报道里面有说台湾投资美国的这个四千亿这个美金那你们有来出来辟谣说这只是揣测而已那还请问你们在谈当中会低于四千亿吗美金 |
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報告委員 我想任何的談判的細節我們還是不會在你們說都有信心那這比4000億美金低有信心嗎 |
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我想我們會努力的朝我們要降低不是這個金額的數字去努力還是有信心啦好那談到這邊的話特別要提到說因為講到日韓嘛那日本跟韓國的話他們的投資一個是日本是5500億美金韓國是3500億美金但是佔有他們國家的GDP這比例的話日本是佔有佔GDP大概是14%那個韓國是佔有20% |
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如果台灣是4000億美金的話 佔我們台灣的4000億佔我們的GDP的話是50%一半這是我們國家的整個財政環境能夠承受的嗎 |
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我還是跟委員報告一下所以你都要預估進去啊我們的條件是台灣模式一定依照我們經濟發展產業的結構跟業者的需求來做談判所以我們不將日本跟韓國他們模式不一樣我們不做比較 |
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總代表你一直在講台灣模式台灣模式的話並不是說我們把他的科學園區不是說只是畫一塊地給他那整個我們的基礎建設跟我們的整個行政制度跟人才還有學術整個都會帶過去的是不是所以你有沒有考慮到如果說我們在協助美國在訓練他美國的勞工我們的關鍵技術會不會有外流的這個缺口 |
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還有就是說我們整個這個環境跟我們勞工這個我們半導體是不可取代的這個這個地位會不會就會喪失掉 |
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報告委員不會因為最先進的技術還是會在台灣你一直講最先進的技術沒錯但是我們在訓練美國的勞工的時候這個技術這整個工業的技術就會有這個缺口有這個危險性這個風險會產生的它是一個operator的這個 |
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技能啦他不是研發單位啦所以這個還要防範這個風險好不好這是我們國人所擔心的期待你們這個缺口不要發生那至於就我們談到這個 |
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在四月份的时候我们谈到四月份在整个台湾这个贸易这个逆差这个环境里面我们有谈到总代表你可以先回去那因为我们看到四月份这个赖清的总统在特别因应这个美国对等关税有谈到说我们要针对农业工业这个能源部分的话跟美国减低美国的贸易这个逆差要跟这个阿拉斯加这个 |
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購買這個液化的這個天然氣喔我們也簽訂了這個這個特別的簽訂 |
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這個意向書都簽訂下去了但是這個有個重要的關鍵問題就是阿拉斯加這個我們雖然簽訂了這個意向書但是它這個距離我們有1300公里這個距離本來是日韓跟我們台灣要一起的但是我們看到日本跟韓國非常的保留這個態度而我們卻要積極去爭取這個整個管線的這個工程是不是 |
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我們為什麼會把這個意向書這管線的地方我們沒有平衡的一個爭取報告委員因為當初已經簽的意向書表達是一頁這意向書有包括管線嗎對 表達是一頁他是附帶條件嗎 |
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那因為阿斯嘉事實上距離台灣啊算相對來講如果以天然氣來講的話還算相對近的它只有一千三百公里七天的航程如果是船運的話那當然主要還是以船運為主啦對如果這個管線的話你們去爭取這個工程的話這個費用是誰出 |
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管線的話 他那個管線不是講說要拉到台灣來拉到整個亞洲嘛 那是我們有去爭取嘛我們非常積極去爭取 但是日本跟韓國都保留啊那如果說日本跟韓國不去爭取 不去投資他的話那這樣子的話 等於是我們台灣一個國家在爭取一個國家在投資 |
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那管線是從他的產地線到港口不是要拉到台灣來主幹線1300公里拉過來了那你要拉到日本韓國再支線再拉過去這是一定的嘛那我說我們現在在管理這個管線的時候是怎麼樣的爭取都是船運啦他拉到港口就是阿拉斯加的港口以後然後再船運到那這1300公里是怎麼對對對現在的規劃是這個樣子他這個距離就1300公里 |
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那主要就是要船運過來啊是啊 還是船運啊但是這個主幹線1300公里本來是日本 韓國跟我們嘛董事長 您說 |
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報告員 這個管線 我說明一下它是從那個阿拉斯加州啊的北邊 最北邊那邊拉一條800我這個都知道 我的意思是說日本 韓國跟我們本來是針對我們這三個人有這個意向嘛 對不對但是現在爭取的只有我們有這個投資意願啊日本跟韓國都沒有啊我們只是表達這個意向而已事實上最後要不要投入的話還是要看它的效益的結果 |
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如果未來日本 韓國沒有這個意願的話我們也不投資嗎我們也不要不一定 看他實質的投資效益有沒有具備那個效益是 那我的意思是說如果之後這個管線是我們投資進去的話我們到時候購買的這個液態的天然氣的話成本就必須要降低啊到時候我們撈出來的話日本現在沒有 日本 韓國不要投資到時候我們投資進去了 |
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因為我們不會是唯一的投資國啦所以我想請問嘛我請問日本 韓國若不投資進去的話我們也不會投資是不是其他國家通通不投資我們當然沒有辦法投好 我們就要這個答案日本 韓國沒有去爭取投資的話我們就不能投資 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝 |